Israel has descended into total barbarism. Both the US and the EU are deeply complicit. The Palestinian trauma produced by this barbarism will last for decades. It will generate deep animosity toward the US and EU as well as long-term violence against the Israeli state.
Israel has descended into total barbarism. Both the US and the EU are deeply complicit. The Palestinian trauma produced by this barbarism will last for decades. It will generate deep animosity toward the US and EU as well as long-term violence against the Israeli state.
Complicit a bit too forgiving. Collusive or conspiratorial might be better. Definitely directly participant. Nor is the word "callousness" adequate to describe the Israeli attitude. Thing is, it's difficult to find an adequate one. Ruthlessness, merciless? Soullessness might come closest to it, if one believes that all beings are endowed with some sort of soul, as a vital essence, ├йlan vital, because to then call Israelis soulless puts them completely outside the realm of organic life into that of automaton, killer robot, which is really not so off the mark if you listen to their packaged supremacist drivel.
Yeah that would be an obvious choice. Nazis often described as soulless killing machines; but damn, I only know them from documentaries. Because Israel is constantly in my face now, they seem so much worse in a gut-level way. It really sucks.
Israel on many levels emulates Nazi Germany. The Defense Minister's exhortation that soliders would be subject to no law in Gaza and that he would protect them is directly from Himmler's orders in Barbarossa, as every Israeli knows.
How about soulless, and I'm not only talking about those elected into power who are implementing all the death and destruction, but the relative silence of it's people.
You're right, they don't. What also bothers me is the relative indifference of Israels. I don't get it. It's happening in your own backyard, so to speak, and where is the outrage from it's people? The majority are silent. That's also disturbing. Even if they were looking at it from a self severing perspective they must know that Israel will become a pariah state.
Power always eventually winds up in the hands of sociopaths, because sociopaths will do Whatever It Takes to get power.
This is the underlying principle of The Iron Law Of Oligarchy. It also is why most political and economic systems can be made to work tolerably well, if and to the extent power is kept out of the hands of sociopaths.
People living in Israel will be severely punished if they dare to speak out against Nasty Netty and his ilk. They can do nothing but hide in fear or be attacked. Zionists attack the family and loved ones of any who speak against them. Saying the Israelis support the Zionists is like saying North Koreans love their leader. Slaves have little choice but to follow.
Many of the Israeli citizens object to the Zionist's treatment of the Palestinian people. There was to be an organized protest against the genocide and a united call for peace at the Nova Rave. Two days before the festival date, the venue was changed to a location much closer to Gaza. The Zionists tried to set up those they saw as guilty of dissent to be attacked by HAMAS, However, HAMAS did not take that bait and in fact, rescued many of the protesters from Zionist attacks. This is why the protestors who were freed by HAMAS were killed by the Zionists. They were punished for going against the Zionists and silenced to keep the truth from being exposed. Those still with HAMAS know, and they will tell the world what really happened once the "war" is over and they are free.
I'm sure there are a number of Israeli's who do, as there are a number of American's who speak out against not only Israel's genocide, but our complicity in it. In both cases a mere handful, so to speak. It was true in the US with our multiple middle eastern wars based on lies, and it's true of Americans on this issue as well. Perhaps you would like to hear what our former president, Bill Clinton, had to say. Scroll down the page. He's disgusting in his excuses for this genocide. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bill-clinton-justifies-murder-palestinians-israel-michigan-kamala-harris_n_6723f929e4b0871068feb074
P.S. I've never read anything about what you said. Do you have a source that i can read?
It is not on MSM as they are big fans of the whole "murder them and take their resources" scam.
Obviously, anyone with a soul would object to the greed-based wholesale slaughter of an entire population. Also obviously, the demons perpetuating said slaughter do their very best to justify their horrific behavior.
You know, if the Zionists would have just agreed to help develop and share the resources, the whole region would be a wonderful paradise. They could have taken that path....the path of cooperation and peace. If only they had the wisdom to do so.
It's an important distinction because Israel does seem to be a unique case of complete group sociopathy, or maybe it's group misanthropy toward the rest of the non-Zionist human species based on a solidly inculcated group belief in supremacy; a unique sociological experiment in authoritarian mind-fuckery. I mean really, Orwell would be proud.
i do not think they "are ALL completely complicit."
there are many jews who say: "not in my name!", there's b'tselem, there are other advocacy groups, part of the IfNotNow movement, maoz inon & aziz abu sarah have gained some fame hoping to convince the world that mutual respect and understanding are the only way forward ...
although, the way things are going - and in view of tens of thousands of people being maimed for life, traumatized for decades to come - i'm afraid the way forward will continue to be full of violence.
I'm sure you are right and no doubt there were those who didn't even know of the many atrocities he committed. Many American's had little to say about our Middle Eastern wars, although they got coverage, but they couldn't care less. The people of Syria, including it's children are still suffering due to US!
I find this even worse, since the US is complicit in a genocide, and there is nothing, in my mind, more ugly and heartbreaking since death and extermination of a people is their goal. I wonder how the world will see us after this. I do believe that since this century began we have followed a neocon agenda which has led to this. The only one I know who talks about the neocons and their agenda in a very meaningful way is Jeffery Sachs. I think he is right on target. This is no more then a continuation of the wars we started in the Middle East, and this is their end game, well at least in this part of the world. They of course have had their sights on Russia, which didn't go well, and this won't either. No doubt down the line they'll be more war and more death. Maybe Taiwan and China. It's never going to end, or maybe it will end with us all.
Your right, Israel would not be able to implement this genocide without our bombs and without our approval and those of others. Also the number of dead far exceeds the 40 or so thousand often stated and more likely well over a hundred thousand are dead. When I was reading the litany of atrocities implemented at some point it became surreal. Soulless.
I believe that the "40,000" number counted only persons whose identities and deaths were offocially confirmed.
An Israeli bomb hits an apartment building, collapsing it, nobody knows how many people and cats were buried under the rubble, nor are their names necessarily confirmed, but those people and cats are still just as dead.
I know and I wish when providing the number of dead they would reference that fact because they say it's well over 100 thousand. Usually I don't take all the horror in at one sitting, but this article did that and it was so overwhelming, to even listen to it.
We're not "complicit". We're actively committing genocide. We have U S troops on the ground now, in Israel, manning THAAD missile batteries which encourage Israel to further attack Iran, and our Navy has been attacking Yemen on Israel's behalf for months. We went form "complicit" to actively engaging in genocide when we cut off UNRWA funding.
Partners in crime is apt, enablers fits too. This would not be possible without western partnership. Israel doesn't have the power/weapons/cash/impunity/standing to go it alone. Israel supplies the intent to commit genocide and a degenerate society that is all in, except for the Israelis (unfortunately in the minority) who have stood up to Israel's barbarism for decades and still do so.
Israel has descended into total barbarism. Both the US and the EU are deeply complicit. The Palestinian trauma produced by this barbarism will last for decades. It will generate deep animosity toward the US and EU as well as long-term violence against the Israeli state.
Complicit? Let us not mince words. They actively and knowngly aid and abet a conscious genocide.
Complicit a bit too forgiving. Collusive or conspiratorial might be better. Definitely directly participant. Nor is the word "callousness" adequate to describe the Israeli attitude. Thing is, it's difficult to find an adequate one. Ruthlessness, merciless? Soullessness might come closest to it, if one believes that all beings are endowed with some sort of soul, as a vital essence, ├йlan vital, because to then call Israelis soulless puts them completely outside the realm of organic life into that of automaton, killer robot, which is really not so off the mark if you listen to their packaged supremacist drivel.
"Nor is the word "callousness" adequate to describe the Israeli attitude. Thing is, it's difficult to find an adequate one."
The word I would choose is "Nazi".
Yeah that would be an obvious choice. Nazis often described as soulless killing machines; but damn, I only know them from documentaries. Because Israel is constantly in my face now, they seem so much worse in a gut-level way. It really sucks.
Israel on many levels emulates Nazi Germany. The Defense Minister's exhortation that soliders would be subject to no law in Gaza and that he would protect them is directly from Himmler's orders in Barbarossa, as every Israeli knows.
Your right, and I feel the same way, and where is the outcry from it's people.
How about soulless, and I'm not only talking about those elected into power who are implementing all the death and destruction, but the relative silence of it's people.
I honestly question whether sociopaths have souls.
You're right, they don't. What also bothers me is the relative indifference of Israels. I don't get it. It's happening in your own backyard, so to speak, and where is the outrage from it's people? The majority are silent. That's also disturbing. Even if they were looking at it from a self severing perspective they must know that Israel will become a pariah state.
Humans are herd animals to rival any sheep or lemming.
And Israel is certain that their American thug will quash any dissent.
This also says a lot about our elected officials. This is a big shame on them. They'll sell their souls for money and power.
Power always eventually winds up in the hands of sociopaths, because sociopaths will do Whatever It Takes to get power.
This is the underlying principle of The Iron Law Of Oligarchy. It also is why most political and economic systems can be made to work tolerably well, if and to the extent power is kept out of the hands of sociopaths.
Thanks, since I never heard of The Iron law of Oligarchy. Sounds really interesting. Really thanks.
People living in Israel will be severely punished if they dare to speak out against Nasty Netty and his ilk. They can do nothing but hide in fear or be attacked. Zionists attack the family and loved ones of any who speak against them. Saying the Israelis support the Zionists is like saying North Koreans love their leader. Slaves have little choice but to follow.
There are protests against Netanyahu all the time in Israel.
But never about Gaza or he Palestinians. Always about their own rights.
Many of the Israeli citizens object to the Zionist's treatment of the Palestinian people. There was to be an organized protest against the genocide and a united call for peace at the Nova Rave. Two days before the festival date, the venue was changed to a location much closer to Gaza. The Zionists tried to set up those they saw as guilty of dissent to be attacked by HAMAS, However, HAMAS did not take that bait and in fact, rescued many of the protesters from Zionist attacks. This is why the protestors who were freed by HAMAS were killed by the Zionists. They were punished for going against the Zionists and silenced to keep the truth from being exposed. Those still with HAMAS know, and they will tell the world what really happened once the "war" is over and they are free.
I'm sure there are a number of Israeli's who do, as there are a number of American's who speak out against not only Israel's genocide, but our complicity in it. In both cases a mere handful, so to speak. It was true in the US with our multiple middle eastern wars based on lies, and it's true of Americans on this issue as well. Perhaps you would like to hear what our former president, Bill Clinton, had to say. Scroll down the page. He's disgusting in his excuses for this genocide. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bill-clinton-justifies-murder-palestinians-israel-michigan-kamala-harris_n_6723f929e4b0871068feb074
P.S. I've never read anything about what you said. Do you have a source that i can read?
Here is one of many articles on the matter.
https://jacobin.com/2023/11/israel-far-right-government-suffocating-domestic-dissent-palestine-solidarity
It is not on MSM as they are big fans of the whole "murder them and take their resources" scam.
Obviously, anyone with a soul would object to the greed-based wholesale slaughter of an entire population. Also obviously, the demons perpetuating said slaughter do their very best to justify their horrific behavior.
You know, if the Zionists would have just agreed to help develop and share the resources, the whole region would be a wonderful paradise. They could have taken that path....the path of cooperation and peace. If only they had the wisdom to do so.
Thanks for that quick reply and couldn't agree more.
Every time you use the word "Nazi" in my opinion is 'null and void.'
We at the moment are looking at a 'species' of people in their own STATE who are ALL completely complicit.
NOT every German was complicit as you well know.
My mother-in-law to name but one was NOT complicit.
She fled to UK because she was being hunted down for supporting and feeding and helping Jews.
It's an important distinction because Israel does seem to be a unique case of complete group sociopathy, or maybe it's group misanthropy toward the rest of the non-Zionist human species based on a solidly inculcated group belief in supremacy; a unique sociological experiment in authoritarian mind-fuckery. I mean really, Orwell would be proud.
@jenny stokes:
i do not think they "are ALL completely complicit."
there are many jews who say: "not in my name!", there's b'tselem, there are other advocacy groups, part of the IfNotNow movement, maoz inon & aziz abu sarah have gained some fame hoping to convince the world that mutual respect and understanding are the only way forward ...
although, the way things are going - and in view of tens of thousands of people being maimed for life, traumatized for decades to come - i'm afraid the way forward will continue to be full of violence.
I don't think I ever said that "German = Nazi" or anything of the sort.
No you did not.
But being honest: What do you think of when you say Nazi?
Remember a lot of people are dim.
I don't use this word because it is wrong.
I think of Nazis when I think of Nazis. I don't think of Furtwaengler.
Don't put words in my mouth.
I'm sure you are right and no doubt there were those who didn't even know of the many atrocities he committed. Many American's had little to say about our Middle Eastern wars, although they got coverage, but they couldn't care less. The people of Syria, including it's children are still suffering due to US!
Yes: Syria. Iraq.many south American countries. Now US messing about in Europe! Ukraine. Georgia
Bangladesh.....more to come just can't think of them all.
I find this even worse, since the US is complicit in a genocide, and there is nothing, in my mind, more ugly and heartbreaking since death and extermination of a people is their goal. I wonder how the world will see us after this. I do believe that since this century began we have followed a neocon agenda which has led to this. The only one I know who talks about the neocons and their agenda in a very meaningful way is Jeffery Sachs. I think he is right on target. This is no more then a continuation of the wars we started in the Middle East, and this is their end game, well at least in this part of the world. They of course have had their sights on Russia, which didn't go well, and this won't either. No doubt down the line they'll be more war and more death. Maybe Taiwan and China. It's never going to end, or maybe it will end with us all.
Pretty much agree.
This intervention in Georgia is extremely worrying.
It is so obvious to me that this is yet another attack toward Russia.
Drop a bomb on Washington DC when everyone is there! Don't know any other solution.
Brutal regime.
Your right, Israel would not be able to implement this genocide without our bombs and without our approval and those of others. Also the number of dead far exceeds the 40 or so thousand often stated and more likely well over a hundred thousand are dead. When I was reading the litany of atrocities implemented at some point it became surreal. Soulless.
I believe that the "40,000" number counted only persons whose identities and deaths were offocially confirmed.
An Israeli bomb hits an apartment building, collapsing it, nobody knows how many people and cats were buried under the rubble, nor are their names necessarily confirmed, but those people and cats are still just as dead.
I know and I wish when providing the number of dead they would reference that fact because they say it's well over 100 thousand. Usually I don't take all the horror in at one sitting, but this article did that and it was so overwhelming, to even listen to it.
We're not "complicit". We're actively committing genocide. We have U S troops on the ground now, in Israel, manning THAAD missile batteries which encourage Israel to further attack Iran, and our Navy has been attacking Yemen on Israel's behalf for months. We went form "complicit" to actively engaging in genocide when we cut off UNRWA funding.
"Deeply complicit"?
Partners in crime is apt, enablers fits too. This would not be possible without western partnership. Israel doesn't have the power/weapons/cash/impunity/standing to go it alone. Israel supplies the intent to commit genocide and a degenerate society that is all in, except for the Israelis (unfortunately in the minority) who have stood up to Israel's barbarism for decades and still do so.