I was in Israel in 1960, as a child. Again after the 6-day war. I had many relatives in Israel. I also lived in Paris and London, and have had many Arabs as friends, of all faiths, and of none. I know two things: Antisemitism is an essential ingredient in Israeli victimhood, without which none of their behavior is possible. And, from “Becket”: “Why do they hate us? Because we always hate those whom we have wronged.”
I had a dear friend, Lebanese, Christian, a fierce activist for Palestinian freedom, and a passionate advocate of Arabic culture. Fifty years ago she said to me: “Arabs don’t hate Jews. We hate oppression and injustice. They would be welcome here if they could only learn to be good neighbors.”
The hate-filled beligerence of Bibi the Butcher Netanyahu and the Likud underscores how the Zionists in Israel seek no peace; only dominance through the acquisition of Palestinian land. Zion has a choke collar around the neck of the U.S., a cruel reality fostered by Joseph R. Biden.
What an excellent interview with historian Avi Shlaim, another wise elder dedicated, like Norm Finkelstein, to sorting the truth from all the twisted lies and going back to the roots of those lies about "anti-Semitism" in the Pre-Israel Middle East! I also know a number of people from Middle Eastern Countries who tell similar before and after stories.
We so need mature voices and documented personal experiences and histories like these in this current increasingly virulent propaganda-laden Western atmosphere. Especially concerning the political blanketing of this accusation of "anti-Semitism" against every compassionate protest and humanitarian support calling for justice and life itself for the Palestinians, that serves to foment greater violence and ignorance in the dominant Western Countries where the narrative of the mainstream media is increasingly controlled for the purpose of protecting and deflecting away from the Colonial aims and rapacious greed (called "National Interests") of the corporate/Wall Street/AIPAC/Military Industrial Powers that Be.
Genocide Joe and almost all our Politicians Pamper the Zionists ….and Dutifully send them all the Weapons of Mass Destruction and more and More of our Borrowed Money that our Future Generations have to earn and repay as Taxes …while all the Billionaires don’t pay or only pay nominal Taxes …and only Pay the Politicians like Biden …and other Habitual Corrupt Politicians !
Not only is none of this any secret, it also puts a shiv into the myth of "Muh Western Judeo-Christian Civilization".
Until 1945 or so, most people in Europe most definitely saw Jews as "other". As in "Not Us". The United States was more tolerant than most European countries, but even then, Jews were de facto or formally barred from many institutions, and their numbers in other institutions limited.
Of course, Hitler and his crimes did more to make anti-Semitism socially unacceptable than anything that all the Jewish scholars, rabbis, composters, writers etc. could have done together.
We were tolerant ….but there was no antisemitism anywhere outside Europe ….None in the Arab world, I worked in Yemen …in early 90’s …There was no antisemitism…There were Jews …they were doing business in the Suq …in Sana’a even in the 90’s !
Antisemitism is the Weapon Given to the Zionists by their God ! …Antisemitism is a Weapon even in the hands of our Politicians who are funded by the AIPAC, without AIPAC …they all would be Antisemites !…..Even the Sleepy Semitic Joe !
Judaism is about evolution not stagnation. My father's father were Zionists and believed all land is Holy. Jerusalem is not holier than Montreal where Leonard Cohen sang his last Heneni at the Shaar. My father was a Zionist and considered Temple Worship blasphemy. His Holy Temple was in Vilnius Lithuania and Russia destroyed our Holy Temple in 1793 and the Holy Romans applauded in Canterbury and Rome.
Orwell in his essay on Nationalism said a religious Israel would be a Fascist State.
I met Cohen's friend and mentor the great Canadian Poet Irving Layton. He came to read his poetry and Layton was a tv star in 1960. He wrote about sex and passion and he didn't countenance censorship even in High School he was a graduate of MacDonald College, McGill's school for educators.
Christianity originated in Persia not Jerusalem and yet the Crusades brought about the extermination of England's Jews.
You are no doubt antiChrist and some kind of pseudo Christian.
What is it about hate that triggers and generates your endorphins?
The Vatican sponsored the riots in Havana in 1939 that began St Thomas Chrystasom's Final Solution Saint Thomas proposed the Final Solution in the fourth century.
Zionism and Israel is the Opposite of Evolution ….Evolution is a Natural Process …better to leave Evolution to the Nature ! Man Made Evolution is nothing but Frankensteins …or Robots !
Wow …Vilnius, Lithuania ….After the Genocide in Palestine Started by Israelites with a Starting Whistle by Sleepy Butcher Biden, we renewed our interest on Genocide in Europe by the NAZIs, then we found the Genocide of Jews in Lithuania and also in Norway of all Places….then it is like River to the Sea …everywhere…and in between Genocide of Jews….then the Puzzle, why also in Palestine ? I have no answers….simply Mind Boggling !
The scenes in these …until we watched, unlikely Places of all in Europe !
Norwegians - I spent a lot of times in various cities in Norway, I have or rather I had many friends there ….I even had a Great Reputation there in what I did professionally, I heard them saying Proudly, Willy Brandt ran away from Germany and sought asylum in Norway …and then we watched the Norwegian Holocaust Movie, Produced by Norwegian Producer …so, they were not proud of what happened during the NAZI occupation…but it did happen.
Thanks for illuminating me on the Christian connection to Persia …and other Judo - Christian or Non-Judo Christians …or Just a woman got Mysteriously Pregnant and gave birth …in Bethlehem etc….Interesting Novels !
I remember my mother used to tell me that hens lay eggs without a Rooster, the hen sleep on an asses from burning our garbage….and that was all, it starts laying eggs ! Later she told me, it was not easy to explain to me when I was too young, then she updated that the next door Rooster made it work…. I guess in Bethlehem…no one suspected the next door neighbor guy ? Right ?
I don’t know Cohen, but now I know where he get his clues. !
I don’t have a religion, but I believe in almighty …of course almighty has no birth nor death !
I have Christian Neighbors and Hindu Neighbors, Islamic Neighbors a few miles away …and Atheist Neighbors…, I was born and grew up in a tiny Island ….has no attraction for Zionists….they were looking for expansive land to grow …with some add hog theory to Crown Themselves as the Royal Family in what is perceived as the Holy Land, though no one knew how Mary got pregnant 🙁
We have a Christian Church Adjacent to a Hindu temple two minutes away, but both are quite old…the Christian Church was built by American Mission !
So, My Village has a relationship with the Great America before Biden family landed looking for Potatoes in America ! Just another 15 minutes by the Local Bus, there is a Magnificent College …named Jaffna College, built and staffed by American Mission, very famous College ….Fortunately …no Zionists here to Bomb the Schools and Places of Worship and Hospitals into the Ground ! Some Blessings, We have Americans without AIPAC and Zionism !
It only Shows, America can do good, a lot of Good, if there are no Zionists near people like Biden, Kamala ..and all the American Politicians in the Famous Occupied Territory named Washington ! …..Let us move the Capital of America to Jaffna ! No Zionist Menace anywhere near Jaffna ….The Indian Jews are already absorbed into the Palestinian Land and learning that they are inferior to the European / American Jews etc. But they like it in Zionist Enclaves …because there are Night Jobs !
You talked about Havana …I heard about not just Havana …many other hunting grounds of Zionists …maybe Peru ? Paraguay, Uruguay ? But, I have to read more …other than the NAZIs hiding everywhere !
I only have a few more years…I am hoping to spend more time with my granddaughters …let us hope the Genocide will be over before Biden is buried somewhere soon !
By the way, the Christian American Mission Church was derelict, American moved on to better things abandoning their Church…So, One well to do Hindu devotee took it upon himself to do the repair and upgrade the Church to operational…and a few remaining Christians could congregate there for services specially Sundays and other Holidays Christmas Easter etc.
The College that was Built by the American Mission and administered by American Mission until they found better things like major Wars elsewhere, now it has become part of the Provincial University ! Still Going Good …doing Good !
They only get angry with fellow Muslims …like one day a Seismic Camp doctor, who was from Iraq, he was munching a Mars Bar, it was during Ramadan time, So, the Yemeni Guard at the Gate, Beat him mercilessly ! ….later he apologized to me and told me that I could munch a Mars Bar, because I am not a Muslim !
Judaism is Semitic …OK, what was Jesus ? I have been thinking Jesus was a Semite too ? But the Christians in America have to add Judo in front of Christians to sound Judo-Christians to Elevate themselves to Semites and Continue waging Wars in the name of Judas and Jesus ? The Invariable here is the Wars ! Addiction to Wars ….Addiction to Colonialism and Colonization ?
I would prefer to leave the people alone ….just be a tourist for a couple of weeks or even a month …enjoy …even laugh at the natives if one feel like, then go home and think and talk about it with your neighbors and friends !
Why Colonize the Land and Commit Ethnic Cleansing and Genocide on the Basis of Total Lies and Fabrications ?
The Iraqi Jews of my high school in Tehran told me they emigrated to Iran when the Shah offered their parents professional jobs. They left in 1963 when Saddam Hussein came to power. And they came as an entire community. After the Iranian Revolution they picked up, again as an entire community, and moved to the U.S., U.K. and Australia. A few moved to Israel and I know of only two who are still there. The people who left in small groups did not do very well in their new countries. The ones who left as a huge community of their own will are thriving. They were well-educated, well-heeled, and most of the Americans, within a year of emigrating to the U.S. and due to their incredibly strong family and community ties, were worth at least $1 million. Each. Not because they were Jews but because they help each other to an extreme degree whenever they move to a new country.
In 1956 my family lived in Aleppo and all the American nationals were kicked out of Syria temporarily because of false flag operations effected on Syrians by CIA and Mossad in an effort to convince Syria Jews to leave. The same M.O. as in Iraq. Mossad bombed Jewish establishments and blamed Muslims for it. With the CIA's participation this time.
Israel just used Arab Jews to justify further land grabs. Ironically, many of my Iraqi Jewish classmates, who were not stupid, have a sense of entitlement and superiority which they ape from what I might call their Ashkenazi cousins except for the fact that the two groups are not related at all. The Iraqi Jews are the result of the HISTORIC Jewish diaspora. The Ashkenazi are the result of a gradual movement of the descendants of people who CONVERTED to Judaism during the Armenian/Azeribaijani conflict of 700 A.D. eastward. I have no idea what they identified as before that time. But their descendants have brought the world to the precipice of potential world war. To me, this is a clear lesson in the importance of learning who you are, where you come from, and valuing your own unique identity. Trying to take on someone else's is self-destructive and can morph into a monster that can destroy your neighbors. Lack of self-knowledge is very harmful. The Ashkenazi have no absolutely NO connection to Palestine. None. They are thieves, liars, murderers, rapists, racist sadists. And lost. They are a lost people. That is the true tragedy of their current situation in Palestine.
I don't know why so few Iraqi Jews have the courage to speak up and tell the truth. I take my hat off to you, Avi Shlaim. You were robbed of an incredible community, as was Iraq.
Most Iranian Jews I went to school with did not leave and have not to this day. The history of Jews in Iran goes back millenia.
As an addendum to that "Canadian": Because my birthplace is in Syria and my ethnicity is not easily identifiable because I'm a mixed-race Asian (Japanese-Canadian), the Canadian border police always detain me when I'm visiting my Canadian cousins for at least 1-1/2 hours checking me over and over in Interpol's database. I would never choose Canadian citizenship, although I can as I'm 2nd generation, because their racism is even worse than the United States'.
"To me, this is a clear lesson in the importance of learning who you are, where you come from, and valuing your own unique identity. Trying to take on someone else's is self-destructive and can morph into a monster that can destroy your neighbors. Lack of self-knowledge is very harmful" Well said but I believe the original Zionists knew who they were but weaponized biblical myths to legitimize their illegal invasion of Palestine. The world would be very different if we all accepted the scientific truth that we all are cousins, descendants of the mitochondrial Eve.
An eminent Ashkenazy was very well aware of his origins:
"It is even possible that my ancestry might not move in the direction of ancient Israel at all … After 965, the Khazars were through as an organized power, but Judaism may have remained, and it may well be that many East European Jews are descended from Khazars and the people they ruled. I may be one of them. Who knows? And who cares? —Isaac Asimov, It’s Been a Good Life, 2002"
I don't think they do know who they are. And if I tried to take over my cousins'--either Canadian or Texan--land I am sure the whole clan(s) would attack me. I don't belong in either place and am proud of that fact, frankly.
We don't accept that we are all each other's relatives because creating in-group/out-group dynamics has been necessary for our individual and group and species' survival. I might let an irritating younger sibling take over my house for awhile (though not for long) but I'm not letting an irritating cousin do so. I didn't grow up with them and don't know them that well. And I'm just talking about first cousins (and I have a lot of them, some being White Supremacists). We are also a territorial animal. "I need my space." I need my personal boundaries for my psychological survival. And you do too.
Many Muslim and Christian (and atheist) Palestinians are the descendants of converted Jews, if it comes to that. The Ashkenazi don't give a damn.
Come on. Read some history. The original Ashkenazi were working with the German rulers. They used each other. They weaponized Judaism because they needed bodies. They couldn't take over Palestine by themselves. And the original Zionists were privileged Europeans. Isaac Asimov was a privileged person. He wanted as much distance between himself and his ancestors he could create.
I would be interesting to learn what his attitude would have been today. Definitely.
Nosey, I have lived in both, Canada and Texas, and I met in Canada very nice cousins but unfortunately the ones in Texas don't accept our common ancestry. Of course, we all have different experiences, but the point is that we would be better off if we emphasized our similarities and forgot our diversity. I'm not a historian but I think the Ashkenazi worked with England, no Germany to pursue their Zionist project. The following paragraph is from Benjamin Freedman's book "Facts are facts":
" In view of the Emancipation Edict in Germany in 1822, Germans regarded the October 1916 London Agreement [between the Zionist and the British government] as a double-cross by Talmudists in Germany. Quota systems then existed in all other countries in Europe. There was no quota system in Germany after the Emancipation Edict of 1822 for Talmudists." and since then the Germans hated the Jews.
In my next reply to your posting, I will transcribe part of a very interesting interview from Amy Goodman to an Evangelical Christian Palestinian who probably is also the descendant of a converted Jew. Follows:
According to Israeli historians I am reading, the Ashkenazi worked with the Nazis. I wasn't born. I'm not German. And I am not Ashkenazi. But I've known a lot of Ashkenazi through the years and without a doubt, they have serious identity problems and a very twisted sub-culture. I have sympathy for them. Losing your identity and culture is terribly painful and an awful loss. But I don't care for the damage they inflict on others.
Nosey, I'm an ignorant man that wants to learn some true history. Could you please reply with the name of the Israeli historians and the titles of the books you are reading? Please.
Sure! I'm reading a mixture of Palestinian and Jewish Israeli and Jewish Americans. I haven't read Amira Hass but would like to. All these books I've read are by men. Nur Masalha wrote a book on Palestine going back into its real history, if you want to know about Palestine itself. As regards WWII and Zionists working with Nazis, there's not that much out there but mostly that information comes (for me) from Ilan Pappe and Gordon Levy. I'm also reading Norman Finkelstein although I don't remember if he goes down that corridor. An interesting American writer nobody much talks about, Thomas Suarez I think his name is, has written a number of books about how Israel was formed using terrorism. He is a violinist from NYC who worked with a Palestinian orchestra, not sure which one, for several years--I think he was in Gaza but am not sure--and has written quite a number of interesting books, not all about Palestine. I find him particularly interesting because he doesn't have anything to prove or defend. I also am particularly concerned about Mossad and Shin Bet so have read what i can get my hands on over the past 40-50 years. Ari Ben-Menashe, the Cockburns, Stephen Green (I think it was--I only have a xeroxed copy of his book), books on surveillance in the Israeli state, books on assassinations by the founders of Israel. There's a lot out there. If you want to know how terrorism birthed Israel, Ilan Pappe, Gordon Levy, and Suarez are the ones I would recommend first. There are also a lot of very informative sites online. I follow individual writers and decide how reliable they are and then really dig deep into what they are saying. I'm not interested in Nazis. I think our support of Ukrainian Nazis is incredibly stupid. I don't like right-wing fascists of any stripe. And I have lived under an authoritarian right-wing quasi-dictator (who took his orders from the CIA) who kept control with a well-developed police state so if terrorism is all you have to start a new country, you probably shouldn't, in my opinion. As for "true" history, I don't know about that. Read widely from many points of view and decide who you think is telling the truth. Zionism and Nazism have a lot in common and they did work hand-in-glove in Germany because they both wanted the same thing: Removal of Jews from Europe. The Nazis didn't care where to and the Zionists very much cared: European Jews died because the Zionists insisted they had to go to Palestine and nowhere else. Ilan Pappe. Start with him. He's had access to restricted archives. I haven't read that much of Levy. I'm sure I'm forgetting others.
Palestinian Reverend Munther Isaac to Faith Leaders in U.S.: "If You Are Silent, You Approve of Genocide"
"We speak with the Reverend Munther Isaac, pastor at the Evangelical Lutheran Christmas Church in Bethlehem, who joins us in our New York studio for an in-depth conversation.
AMY GOODMAN: Have you spoken to the lobby group Christians United for Israel? It’s one of the largest pro-Israel organizations in the United States, has something like 11 million members. The group’s annual summit largely focuses on advocating for increased U.S. military aid to Israel.
REV. MUNTHER ISAAC: I’ve never spoken to them directly. I don’t think they will even recognize me as a Palestinian to speak to. It’s a very extreme group. It’s a very militarized group. And it’s shocking to me, again, that such a thing exists in our Christian thinking, because Jesus is the antithetical of all of this. And the twisted irony in groups like Christians United for Israel is that in the end times scenarios that they fascinate about, they think of a scenario in which two-thirds — you know, when the Jews gather in Palestine, two-thirds of them will be massacred in a big Armageddon type of war, and then the other third will convert to Christianity. And somehow this group is considered pro-Israel or, you know, fighting for the Jews, when, in essence, some of their views are truly antisemitic. And rather than channeling all of these efforts and movement into peace and coexistence between Palestinians and Israelis, they’re promoting war, which, again, shocks me. So, I hope they listen. But I also hope that people of good conscience in this country, faith leaders from different traditions, speak up against them. And many actually gathered outside of the meeting of Christians United for Israel to show their protest and to say, “Not in our name,” and I’m very grateful for that.
AMY GOODMAN: Yes, earlier this year, nearly 150 Mennonites were arrested on Capitol Hill in an act of peaceful civil disobedience as they called for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza. So, clearly, the Christian community is divided on this.
REV. MUNTHER ISAAC: It’s divided. And in December, in the sermon I gave in Bethlehem, I said Gaza has become the moral compass of the world. Gaza has divided the world, not on the basis of religion or ethnicity or nationality, but really on moral, ethical grounds. And it has divided even many Christians... AMY GOODMAN: Has the Jewish opposition to Israel’s war on Gaza surprised you, the number of people in the United States, Jews who have been arrested, who have engaged in protest?
REV. MUNTHER ISAAC: Yes and no. And I say no because even before this war, there has been a divide. And actually, surveys showed that, ironically, support to Israel among white evangelicals have always been stronger in the United States than that of the Jewish community. And I also say no because it’s part of the Jewish faith and tradition to be for justice. And, you know, I’ve seen the work with the civil rights in this country, particularly. But, yes, because it’s really getting stronger and stronger. Groups like IfNotNow and Jewish Voice for Peace and Rabbis for Ceasefire, they’re really speaking up and being well organized — and not just speaking, demonstrating. Many of them, I think, have been arrested. And I’m grateful for their clarity in their opposition to Zionism, because we need to call Zionism for what it truly is. And it’s not just that they’re standing for a ceasefire or peace right now, but they’re clear in their diagnosis of the problem. The ideology of exclusion that Zionism is promoting, and supremacy, has to be called out. And I’m grateful that many Jewish groups in the United States now and around the world is speaking up against Zionism."
Read my reply about the Khazars above. There is very little, if any, solid historical evidence. Plus recent genetic testing shows the Ashkenazim to be very much related to the other Jewish lineages.
Rafi, I could not find your reply about the Khazars. Could you please tell me which are your sources to look at the "recent genetic testing of the Ashkenazim? This seems quite interesting because it would contradict the views of two respected Israeli historians: Ilan Pappe and Shlomo Sand along with the research of American Jew Benjamin Freeman who in his book "Fact are facts" has the following sentences:
"The Jewish Encyclopedia has five pages on the Khazars but I will skip through them: “CHAZARS: A people of Turkish origin whose life and history are interwoven with THE VERY BEGINNINGS OF THE HISTORY OF JEWS OF RUSSIA… driven on by the nomadic tribes of the steppes and by THEIR OWN DESIRE FOR PLUNDER AND REVENGE… In the second half of the sixth century the Chazars moved westward… The kingdom of the Chazars was firmly established in MOST OF SOUTH RUSSIA BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE RUSSIAN MONARCHY BY THE VARANGIANS (855)… At this time the kingdom of the Chazars stood at the height of its power AND WAS CONSTANTLY AT WAR… At the end of the eighth century… the chagan (king) of the Chazars and his grandees, TOGETHER WITH A LARGE NUMBER OF HIS PEOPLE; EMBRACED THE JEWISH RELIGION… The Jewish population in the entire domain of the Chazars, in the period between the seventh and tenth centuries, MUST HAVE BEEN CONSIDERABLE… about THE NINTH CENTURY, IT APPEARS AS IF ALL THE CHAZARS WERE JEWS AND THAT THEY HAD BEEN CONVERTED TO JUDAISM ONLY A SHORT TIME BEFORE… It was one of the successors of Bulan named Obadiah, who regenerated the kingdom and STRENGTHEN THE JEWISH RELIGION. He invited Jewish scholars to settle in his dominions and founded SYNAGOGUES AND SCHOOLS. The people were instructed in the Bible, Mishnah, and the TALMUD and in the ‘divine service of the hazzanim’… In their writings the CHAZARS USED THE HEBREW LETTERS… THE CHAZAR LANGUAGES PREDOMINATED... Obadiah was succeeded by his Son Isaac; Isaac by his son Moses (or Manasseh II); the latter by his son Nisi; and Nisi by his son Aarron II. King Joseph himself was a son of Aaron, AND ASCENDED THE THRONE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAW OF THE CHAZARS RELATING TO SUCCESSION… The king had twenty-five wives all of royal blood, and sixty concubines, all famous beauties. Each one slept in a separate tent and was watched by a enuch ... THIS SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN THE BEGINNING OF THE DOWNFALL OF THE CHAZAR KINGDOM… The Russian Varangians established themselves at Kiev… until the final conquest of the Chazars by the Russians… After a hard fight the Russians conquered the Chazars… Four years later the Russians conquered all the Chazarian territory east of the Azov… Many members of the Chazarian royal family emigrated to Spain… Some went to Hungary, BUT THE GREAT MASS OF THE PEOPLE REMAINED IN THEIR NATIVE COUNTRY.”
My comment is now below; it's a 2nd tier response to Parker's 1sr post, a sound argument from history and genetics. And explains about the Khazars.
Yes, I could link precise scientific studies, which would only be titles. Won't change the mind of anyone determined to believe the contrary. It's like people determined to deny COVID, or climate change, or that the Jewish or Native American holocausts happened, or that the US Dem party is not democratic.
Do a search for "ashkenazi jews y chromosome link to other jewish groups" Plenty will come up. Including from the respected scientific journal "Nature" with precise chromosome loci and statistical analyses. One from Harvard Med published in the journal "Cell" on founder event genetics regarding Ashkenazi Jewish history. Another published in the American Journal of Human Genetics is of the Ashkenazi Cohanim, a priestly group by inheritance through the paternal line (ie, the Y chromosome.) It shows common ancestry with other Jewish groups and an origin in the ancient Near East. Another article in "Nature" is specifically about the R1a clade of the Y chromosome. There are also Wiki entries on the subject. Point is there's lots of scientifically sound evidence.
I am familiar with the claims by the authors you cited. Very.very few people, especially academics, support them.If you really want to examine this, check their sources. It's an old story retold for many reasons, few of them very good. Especially in old Russia, the history of which I have studied. Including reading in Russian.
I just read the Jewish Encyclopedia source referred to. It's much more subtle than those authors, including statements that much of the evidence about conversion of the Khazars is doubtful. (BTW, "Khazar" is the standard spelling; "Chazar" is used in the Encyclopedia probably because that's the old way of transliterating the associated Hebrew sound.) Most telling is that the extensive piece on Khazar history has absolutely NOTHING about the Khazars as the ancestors of Ashkenazi Jews. Implying it does would be a deliberately misleading tactic on the part of those authors.
That's the last I'll deal with any of this. This thread is full of distortions and perhaps unintentional errors. Particularly with theological statements. But I'm an elder; I don't have the energy to handle every last argument by assertion.
Thank you for your reply. I don't want to disturb you, the elder (not of Zion), anymore and I promise to check the links that graciously you provided to me. On the other hand, I consider Nosey's reply to you quite possible. The fact that khazars converted to Judaism should surprise nobody. Although today Jewish proselytism is very low, during the Hasmonaean period was quite intensive and there are historians that believe that the translation of the Pentateuch into Greek made by Jewish scholars in Alexandria had the purpose of facilitating the proselytizing of monotheism within the Hellenistic world. For me, the important thing is that the Zionist claim of the land of Palestine based on bible mythology is false and has brought terrible results. I don't believe you approve of genocide, and if this is true, we are brothers.
But, Petroleum (Oil and Gas) found in large quantities in Arabian Deserts made the Western Nations messing around to GRAB Energy Resources and all other Resources…couldn’t know where to put the Jews …..so still Genocide is a Popular Game in the control of Energy Resources.
Unfortunately Arab leaders and Ambivalent in their position….disunited, Selfish and compete among themselves….undercut each other !
Let us hope, Palestine will bring the Arabs together, Inshallah !
Yes. A lot of my classmates' fathers did work in the oil fields in Ahwaz and Abadan, although some were lawyers, businessmen, CPAs, etc. It was a terrible brain drain, though Iraq did all right without them. Iraqis of whatever extraction were highly intelligent and very well educated until the US came in and pulverized their country. I am quite sure they are highly intelligent and probably well-educated today.
Whether or not Arab leaders unite--highly unlikely, though their populations are another matter entirely--I suspect the US and Israel will unite the Arabs quite well. Iran-ic. (pun intended) It's obvious to everyone in the Middle East what the US intentions are. (Pulverizing everyone.) However, they need shipping and/or trains/truck routes or pipelines to move that black gold. And I don't think they will be controlling any of those things.
Seems that old canard of Ashkenazim not being "real" Jews is still around. It is an old anti-Semitic trope used by Tsarist Russians, American racists, and the fringe Christian Identity group that insists that Nordic peoples (Germanic and Celtic) are the true descendants of ancient Israelites. Goes with the same "logic" as The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which is also still being claimed as true by the far right.
This falsehood comes from the idea that the Ashkenazim originated with the Khazars, a people of the central Caucasus, a small number of whom in the 9th century CE supposedly converted to Judaism. There is very little historical support for this; its recent popularity rose mostly because of the 1976 book by Arthur Koestler //The Thirteenth Tribe.// Recent genetic tests reveal no evidence for it, either. While Y chromosome analyses show Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Middle Eastern, and North African and Samaritan lineages to have common ancestry.
Traditionally, you are "Jewish" through your mother because before DNA testing there was no definitive way of identifying who your father was. Therefore the Y chromosome is irrelevant. Sharon was going to have all Israelis to have their mitochondria tested (which you get through your mother). Shortly after that announcement he had his mysterious massive "stroke" and disappeared from view until roughly 15 years later when people started wondering aloud where he was and what happened to him. The 'state" briefly began talking about him--very briefly, as I recall--and then he "suddenly" "died". He was disappeared because they were afraid of the results of mitochondrial testing of the Jewish Israelis. You might find some in recent generations of Ashkenazi but pre WWII the intermarriage of European and Middle Eastern Jews was pretty rare.
The issue isn't who is real or who is not real. But if your claim to the land of Palestine is based on it having been in your family 2000 years ago, your actual biological relationship to Palestinian Jews is relevant.
I could give a damn. Racist sadists are racist sadists; psychopaths are psychopaths; sociopaths are sociopaths. Murder is murder. Theft is theft. None of this behavior is JEWISH.
It isn't an anti-Semitic "trope". History is history. Ashkenazi are descended from a group, self-identified as Jews, who lived in southwestern Russia and whom the tsars used to create a coalesced Russian identity through the age-old system of identifying one group as "other". The "Jews" were "other" and in harassing and trying to remove them, the tsars developed a Russian identity among the other tribes then living in the area. They came from what is today Georgia which has a strong links to Israel today and as I understand it is primarily Jewish.
But you already know this. They converted in 700 to avoid being pulled into the Armenian/Azarbaijani conflict which continues to this day. Mizrahi are treated very poorly by Ashkenazi in Israel. They're second class citizens there which is why many Mizrahi whom I grew up with who emigrated there now live in Europea or the US. The Ashkenazi have serious identity problems.
A "real" Jew is someone who believes in and follows the rules of Judaism. I don't see much of that in Israel, whoever their ancestors are. Genocide is not Jewish.
“Traditionally, you are "Jewish" through your mother because before DNA testing there was no definitive way of identifying who your father was “. …. Ask Mary, but she won’t tell who is the Father …so ..so many mothers ….Sitting in a plane from London to Dallas, I read an Article in Times of London…. Long time back …… it was about Who is the Father ? ….. Apparently, the Author did some research and concluded that many Mothers married or unmarried really want to make the choice whom to father her child ! According to the Author, this number covers around 10 percent of the wives or 10 percent of the Children …so, we men better live with this statistics ! Let the Mothers Guard their Secret !
And the truth shall set us free! - Indeed - this interview with Avi Shlaim is an important part of truth-telling - the exposure of the Ashkenazim and their false flag embroilment of Arab Jews - the Mizrahim (Avi himself born in Baghdad in 1945) seals the lying and murderous foundations of the modern Zionist state of Israel...
I keep reading these comments and I am sometimes amused by the ignorance of the world.
WE have 'tiny' planet which we ALL live on.......is it too much to ask that we 'share' our knowledge?
When I was in a Moravian school (in the dying British Empire)I was taught that the 'cradle of civiiization' was Persia. Yes this was a boarding school for girls whose parents were fighting for the British Empire in India/Sri Lanka/Indonesia etc.
I have a totally different 'mindset.'
I have lived my life in 4 different countries for a long time.
When I speak out in France against the Front National I am cited as British.
I stand there on the podium and forcefully proclaim " I have NO country."
I have been deridid in France and Little England but the fact is I am from this wonderful earth which each country I have lived in is destroying.
BULL PUCKY you ignorant American bigot and Imperialist. In 1939 your MANICHEAN Iranian third century church-initiated religion Saint Thomas Chrysostom and Saint Augustine inspired CHURCH began the Final Solution by sponsored rioting in Havana so Hitler could say nobody wants Jews on this planet and the British, Americans, Canada and all of Latin America denied even Palestine to Jewish refugees. I attended High Holiday Service in St Johnsbury and felt HUMAN but St Johnsbury knows Ben and Jerry , Paul Newman and Bernie made Vermont no longer worthy of my father's appellation controlle of Mississippi North. .
I am CANADIAN. Canada is a full democracy and loves Zelensky and both Israelis and Palestinians. We welcome Russian refugees and Mark Twain the greatest journalist that ever wrote said the only noble Russian noble is a dearly departed Russian noble in the 1860s. The good old days when America was great but Russia was number one Britain was number two (pun) We needed 2 million more Canadians yesterday to turn into Canadians.
You tell us how CHRISTIAN you aren't. Arthur Miller wrote the Crucible about Harvard not my wife's birthplace of Commodore the Nazi Vanderbilt's University John Ralston was the North American since Michigan's Miller to head PEN International.
This is Canada we love Venezuelan peasants and Haitians, Russians, Israelis and Palestinian and Americans know human bondage from their first homage to slavery and human bondage the Star Spangled banner. They never learn abour the farce at Fort McHenry.
What we need are burger flippers who understand real democracy and another Trump prresidency would allow our Tim Horton's to open 24/07/365 and Amazon would no longer be a money loser north of Vermont and New Hampshire.
I remember when I trusted Chris as a valuable journalist but John Ralston Saul is my hero and you may have written the Foreword of an Anniversary edition of Voltaire's Bastards but you never read the book dedicated to Hannah Arendt and THE BANALITY OF EVIL. It is not Chris' fault he is an idiot America teaches all its citizens to be BANAL. As Ambrose Bierce said in the 19th century. Abracadabrans are WHAT's the matter with Kansas and Baum wrote the Wizards of Oz.
David was a Jewish Messiah and a very flawed human but he slew Goliath the Palestinian in one of our more ethnocentric fables and Palestinians and Jews still fight over the blood soaked sands of Gaza. My ancestors fled the Basque in 1492 and fled Russian Orthodoxy in Ukraine. Russia is CHRISTIAN and Putin is a leading Patriarch. No Jews were allowed in WEngland from Richard's return from the Crusades and England celebrated with Jew roast before they had Texas Bar-be-que and no Jews were tolerated in Shakespeare's England.
Why do you hate Bibi he is an American Fascist not a real Jew. He is New England, Harvard not Jesus of Nazareth of whom Thomas Jefferson wrote of in1820. Jefferson understood Manicheanism isn't Christian.
Judaism is about balance Manicheanism is about Heaven or Hell.
St Thomas called for the Final Solution in the fourth century and the Vatican sponsored riots in Havana in 1939 that gave God's permission for the FINAL SOLUTION.
The Leader of our Democratic Socialists of Canada is Jagmeet Singh what do you think about Seikhs and Moslem Canadians or are you ST Thomas?
Samuel Johnson was a conservative and wrote the Dictionary and he was a racist and an English Supremacist
We can go on and on ….in a loop ….but what is obvious is that the Middle East Religions are a mess with no deep meaning to explain anything substantial about Life and Who am I ! Let us stay out of these fundamental questions here …just talk about American Politics …Colonialism, and what is going on in Palestine ….forget anything about Spiritual matters ….never Religion …or even Beliefs ! Beliefs has left the Middle East Regions in a never ending Nonsense Loop !
I just watched John the Fascist Kasich on nMSNBC talk trash and nonsense unchallenged because he is viewed as a Moderate?
When in 1964 Ronald Iscariot Reagan said Liberal democracy was America's worst nightmare after 31 years of liberal democracy brought most Americans out of poverty and illiteracy and made America the greatest it ever was.
The Southern strategy was and is morally ethically and socially bankrupt.
I went to school with moslems, protestants, atheists, jews and anyone who renounced Catholicism in a population 85% Catholic.
Edmund Burke could serve in Parliament because his parents renounced their Catholicism.
Fascism = religion in Quebec
We supported the ACLU for forty years they betrayed us by bringing Bill 21 to Canada's Supreme where if they agree to hear case Canada will cease to exist.
We are one of three fully democratic nations in the America's . Canada, Uruguay and tiny Costa Rica. Costa Rica was founded by Labour Zionists. Labour Zionists not fascists like Goldvasser and Miller. Labour Zionist are not University of Shitcago.
Labour Zionists are Bernie Sanders' secular democrat socialists and were even Republicans of long ago like Jacob Javits who believed public servants serve and electors rule until 1964 in San Francisco and Governor Reagan's southern takeover of America. The south rose again and America is respected only for itsmight not for its bright. Its been a long 60 year decline since America aspired to real greatness and lead us into a better future. Viet Nam was a mistake.
In early early 19th century Thomas Chandler Haliburton was the top selling English language writer on Earth said.
"When a man is angry and won't admit it, he always gets angry.".
Sam Slick is as American in 2024 as he was in 1824.
I know people have problems with your name but if you visit the mall on Cote des Neige just North of the Jewish General Hospital where Doctor Gopalan worked your name is more common than John Smith. Are you also a Canadian troll.
Unknowns that are not understandable become a mystery ….., for me not only my name …all names are Names ! I met a very few who had trouble with my name… it is not just a name ….it has meanings !
For your Benefit, Here is the meaning;
Thiru = an Esteemed Object mostly like a Salutation similar to His Highness …or His Holiness etc.
Gnana = Wisdom , or Knowledge of Spiritual Inquiry
Sampanthan = The Person Associated with such Qualities as Above !
So, Put all three together …. Thirugnanasampanthan is the Person Associated with Esteemed Wisdom on Spiritual Knowledge !
We don’t have just a Name like a Label, like every other names !
I am not arrogant, just letting you know and clear your “Problems”. I rarely explain my name to others …Name can be Just a Name !
Fortunately … My Father was a Scholar in Hinduism and Tamil Language ! Maybe some knowledge of Sanskrit as well,
Well read in Hinduism, also possessed good knowledge of Mathematics, Astronomy etc…. So was my Physics Professor,
My Physics Professor did his Graduate Studies at The Cambridge University, in UK, and did all his Research work at the Cavendish Laboratory under the Famous Physicist, Lord Earnest Rutherford !
My Professor was also a Scholar in Hindu Philosophy, He wrote many articles about Hinduism and How Hinduism fits in the Story of the Universe as we read now …since Einstein and others ! But Hinduism Incorporated the Ideas …of Expanding Universe etc. from Time Immemorial !
I have been to many places and Malls around the Globe ….nothing is too difficult for me !
I had already understood your name. Doctor Gopalan was Tamil and I do a lot of different curries in my kitchen as I have for 50 years. Plaza Cote des Neige is replete with Jews, Hindus, Moslems, Atheists, Christians and people who love people.
Impressive Rutherford wow. My family and my wife's must give permission but at Chicago next lab over to my wife was David Suzuki and his Drosophila and they found us here in southern Quebec.
I just got some Chili Kush hot sauce from the Cannabis store Pineapple, apple cider vinegar, honey, orange habanero peppers sea salt, garlic, coconut oil, spice, Xanthum gum, Cannabis extract. Just the right formula for a political convention. My wife does not eat hot curries or inhale but my friends do.
The supermarket nans leave much to the imagination but our local organic grains are a wow.
These back stories are unknown to most and have laid the groundwork for todays reality.
The Middle East has been divvied up with little to no regard of the indigenous folk, same as most of the world.
The insights from this article tie in the Christian (Catholic) Church as a prime source of antisemitism as well as a progenitor of Islamophobia.
I am 89 years old, have traveled to 51 different countries including Iran and Israel and agree with Professor Avi Shlaim racism exists in Israel as well. It feeds on itself and creates the enemy necessary for Nationalism.
The Jewish American (born in Finland) writer Max I. Dimont wrote a couple of popular books on Jewish history. Including the era of what is known as the Babylonian Captivity. Perhaps as much as 25% of the population of Judah was forced to go to the Mesopotamian region now known as Iraq.
After its conquest by the Persian Empire (Iran) the Judeans were allowed to return to their homeland. Dimont describes what happened as "they stayed away in droves." Why leave a comfortable and learned urban culture for near desert conditions and an unstable future?
Point is that Jewish residents of majority Arab and Iranian lands go back a very long way. Given the extensive history, obviously that's evidence there weren't many problems for a very long time.
People are always free and Truthful ! But, it is our Deeply Corrupt Politicians who run their own Antisemitism Business for their Benefit and the Zionists’ Benefit ….then they have or rather own the Police and National Guards… to let loose on the People if they Demonstrate Against the Lies of Zionists !
This was a wonderful interview, in just under an hour it captures virtually the whole problem with Zionism and what I now think of (following the late Akiva Orr's book) The (un)Jewish State. Several years ago I went to see the late Robert Fisk interview Avi Shlaim and it was an equally illuminating evening (Birmingham, UK). It's so refreshing to hear Prof Shlaim lay it out in simple language, without hyperbole or abusive language, where his humanity comes across so warmly. And he talks "more in sorrow than in anger." Thanks so much for the interview, both. I've sent the link around!
I saw another interview with the “estimable” Max Blumenthal on how horrible Biden has been while seeming to imply that Trump is going to be nicer to those Palestinians than Biden. Neither one of these politicians care at all about the Palestinians. And Max thinks somehow that the Big Oil cartel, are really just a nice bunch of people, instead of the ruthless cartel that it actually is.
Where are you getting this? Why "seeming to imply"--especially since this wording is a double cautionary that in itself implies a less than objective personal interpretation. As for favoring Big Oil--huh? I'm for sure not saying he's right about everything. But because of his pro-Palestinian and Ukraine critic writing, he has been subjected to vicious attacks by very powerful government and media people.
Blumenthal, along with the filmmaker Dan Cohen, made a film done from the perspective of Gazan Palestinians titled "Killing Gaza." Go read his material at the Grayzone along with the other writers there. Look at what they've reported that the MSM would not. And how much they've been right about.
I’ve been waiting for this article all my life.
I was in Israel in 1960, as a child. Again after the 6-day war. I had many relatives in Israel. I also lived in Paris and London, and have had many Arabs as friends, of all faiths, and of none. I know two things: Antisemitism is an essential ingredient in Israeli victimhood, without which none of their behavior is possible. And, from “Becket”: “Why do they hate us? Because we always hate those whom we have wronged.”
I had a dear friend, Lebanese, Christian, a fierce activist for Palestinian freedom, and a passionate advocate of Arabic culture. Fifty years ago she said to me: “Arabs don’t hate Jews. We hate oppression and injustice. They would be welcome here if they could only learn to be good neighbors.”
The hate-filled beligerence of Bibi the Butcher Netanyahu and the Likud underscores how the Zionists in Israel seek no peace; only dominance through the acquisition of Palestinian land. Zion has a choke collar around the neck of the U.S., a cruel reality fostered by Joseph R. Biden.
PLEASE don't use the word Jews.
Many Jews are fighting in the streets against Zionism.
I changed the reference as a courtesy.
Thank you.
👏👍
What an excellent interview with historian Avi Shlaim, another wise elder dedicated, like Norm Finkelstein, to sorting the truth from all the twisted lies and going back to the roots of those lies about "anti-Semitism" in the Pre-Israel Middle East! I also know a number of people from Middle Eastern Countries who tell similar before and after stories.
We so need mature voices and documented personal experiences and histories like these in this current increasingly virulent propaganda-laden Western atmosphere. Especially concerning the political blanketing of this accusation of "anti-Semitism" against every compassionate protest and humanitarian support calling for justice and life itself for the Palestinians, that serves to foment greater violence and ignorance in the dominant Western Countries where the narrative of the mainstream media is increasingly controlled for the purpose of protecting and deflecting away from the Colonial aims and rapacious greed (called "National Interests") of the corporate/Wall Street/AIPAC/Military Industrial Powers that Be.
Thank you both so much!!!
Genocide Joe and almost all our Politicians Pamper the Zionists ….and Dutifully send them all the Weapons of Mass Destruction and more and More of our Borrowed Money that our Future Generations have to earn and repay as Taxes …while all the Billionaires don’t pay or only pay nominal Taxes …and only Pay the Politicians like Biden …and other Habitual Corrupt Politicians !
There is ONLY one answer to this which the US people will not do:
dO NOT pay your taxes1
Not only is none of this any secret, it also puts a shiv into the myth of "Muh Western Judeo-Christian Civilization".
Until 1945 or so, most people in Europe most definitely saw Jews as "other". As in "Not Us". The United States was more tolerant than most European countries, but even then, Jews were de facto or formally barred from many institutions, and their numbers in other institutions limited.
Of course, Hitler and his crimes did more to make anti-Semitism socially unacceptable than anything that all the Jewish scholars, rabbis, composters, writers etc. could have done together.
We were tolerant ….but there was no antisemitism anywhere outside Europe ….None in the Arab world, I worked in Yemen …in early 90’s …There was no antisemitism…There were Jews …they were doing business in the Suq …in Sana’a even in the 90’s !
Antisemitism is the Weapon Given to the Zionists by their God ! …Antisemitism is a Weapon even in the hands of our Politicians who are funded by the AIPAC, without AIPAC …they all would be Antisemites !…..Even the Sleepy Semitic Joe !
Judaism is about evolution not stagnation. My father's father were Zionists and believed all land is Holy. Jerusalem is not holier than Montreal where Leonard Cohen sang his last Heneni at the Shaar. My father was a Zionist and considered Temple Worship blasphemy. His Holy Temple was in Vilnius Lithuania and Russia destroyed our Holy Temple in 1793 and the Holy Romans applauded in Canterbury and Rome.
Orwell in his essay on Nationalism said a religious Israel would be a Fascist State.
I met Cohen's friend and mentor the great Canadian Poet Irving Layton. He came to read his poetry and Layton was a tv star in 1960. He wrote about sex and passion and he didn't countenance censorship even in High School he was a graduate of MacDonald College, McGill's school for educators.
Christianity originated in Persia not Jerusalem and yet the Crusades brought about the extermination of England's Jews.
You are no doubt antiChrist and some kind of pseudo Christian.
What is it about hate that triggers and generates your endorphins?
The Vatican sponsored the riots in Havana in 1939 that began St Thomas Chrystasom's Final Solution Saint Thomas proposed the Final Solution in the fourth century.
Zionism and Israel is the Opposite of Evolution ….Evolution is a Natural Process …better to leave Evolution to the Nature ! Man Made Evolution is nothing but Frankensteins …or Robots !
Wow …Vilnius, Lithuania ….After the Genocide in Palestine Started by Israelites with a Starting Whistle by Sleepy Butcher Biden, we renewed our interest on Genocide in Europe by the NAZIs, then we found the Genocide of Jews in Lithuania and also in Norway of all Places….then it is like River to the Sea …everywhere…and in between Genocide of Jews….then the Puzzle, why also in Palestine ? I have no answers….simply Mind Boggling !
The scenes in these …until we watched, unlikely Places of all in Europe !
Norwegians - I spent a lot of times in various cities in Norway, I have or rather I had many friends there ….I even had a Great Reputation there in what I did professionally, I heard them saying Proudly, Willy Brandt ran away from Germany and sought asylum in Norway …and then we watched the Norwegian Holocaust Movie, Produced by Norwegian Producer …so, they were not proud of what happened during the NAZI occupation…but it did happen.
Thanks for illuminating me on the Christian connection to Persia …and other Judo - Christian or Non-Judo Christians …or Just a woman got Mysteriously Pregnant and gave birth …in Bethlehem etc….Interesting Novels !
I remember my mother used to tell me that hens lay eggs without a Rooster, the hen sleep on an asses from burning our garbage….and that was all, it starts laying eggs ! Later she told me, it was not easy to explain to me when I was too young, then she updated that the next door Rooster made it work…. I guess in Bethlehem…no one suspected the next door neighbor guy ? Right ?
I don’t know Cohen, but now I know where he get his clues. !
I don’t have a religion, but I believe in almighty …of course almighty has no birth nor death !
I have Christian Neighbors and Hindu Neighbors, Islamic Neighbors a few miles away …and Atheist Neighbors…, I was born and grew up in a tiny Island ….has no attraction for Zionists….they were looking for expansive land to grow …with some add hog theory to Crown Themselves as the Royal Family in what is perceived as the Holy Land, though no one knew how Mary got pregnant 🙁
We have a Christian Church Adjacent to a Hindu temple two minutes away, but both are quite old…the Christian Church was built by American Mission !
So, My Village has a relationship with the Great America before Biden family landed looking for Potatoes in America ! Just another 15 minutes by the Local Bus, there is a Magnificent College …named Jaffna College, built and staffed by American Mission, very famous College ….Fortunately …no Zionists here to Bomb the Schools and Places of Worship and Hospitals into the Ground ! Some Blessings, We have Americans without AIPAC and Zionism !
It only Shows, America can do good, a lot of Good, if there are no Zionists near people like Biden, Kamala ..and all the American Politicians in the Famous Occupied Territory named Washington ! …..Let us move the Capital of America to Jaffna ! No Zionist Menace anywhere near Jaffna ….The Indian Jews are already absorbed into the Palestinian Land and learning that they are inferior to the European / American Jews etc. But they like it in Zionist Enclaves …because there are Night Jobs !
You talked about Havana …I heard about not just Havana …many other hunting grounds of Zionists …maybe Peru ? Paraguay, Uruguay ? But, I have to read more …other than the NAZIs hiding everywhere !
I only have a few more years…I am hoping to spend more time with my granddaughters …let us hope the Genocide will be over before Biden is buried somewhere soon !
By the way, the Christian American Mission Church was derelict, American moved on to better things abandoning their Church…So, One well to do Hindu devotee took it upon himself to do the repair and upgrade the Church to operational…and a few remaining Christians could congregate there for services specially Sundays and other Holidays Christmas Easter etc.
The College that was Built by the American Mission and administered by American Mission until they found better things like major Wars elsewhere, now it has become part of the Provincial University ! Still Going Good …doing Good !
I have alo been in Yemen...........mostly they accept many nations except the USA.
Why.
Formidable people who invite you into their homes/feed you with all manner of exotic food.
They only get angry with fellow Muslims …like one day a Seismic Camp doctor, who was from Iraq, he was munching a Mars Bar, it was during Ramadan time, So, the Yemeni Guard at the Gate, Beat him mercilessly ! ….later he apologized to me and told me that I could munch a Mars Bar, because I am not a Muslim !
Judaism is Semitic and Jesus was a Jew. European Christianity is 3rd century Persian (Iran) Manichaeism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manichaeism
Judaism is Semitic …OK, what was Jesus ? I have been thinking Jesus was a Semite too ? But the Christians in America have to add Judo in front of Christians to sound Judo-Christians to Elevate themselves to Semites and Continue waging Wars in the name of Judas and Jesus ? The Invariable here is the Wars ! Addiction to Wars ….Addiction to Colonialism and Colonization ?
I would prefer to leave the people alone ….just be a tourist for a couple of weeks or even a month …enjoy …even laugh at the natives if one feel like, then go home and think and talk about it with your neighbors and friends !
Why Colonize the Land and Commit Ethnic Cleansing and Genocide on the Basis of Total Lies and Fabrications ?
Feral I have come to view YOU as anti-European. In many ways correct but when the Jewish diaspora arrived in USA what did your country do?
I will leave you to explain this.
The Iraqi Jews of my high school in Tehran told me they emigrated to Iran when the Shah offered their parents professional jobs. They left in 1963 when Saddam Hussein came to power. And they came as an entire community. After the Iranian Revolution they picked up, again as an entire community, and moved to the U.S., U.K. and Australia. A few moved to Israel and I know of only two who are still there. The people who left in small groups did not do very well in their new countries. The ones who left as a huge community of their own will are thriving. They were well-educated, well-heeled, and most of the Americans, within a year of emigrating to the U.S. and due to their incredibly strong family and community ties, were worth at least $1 million. Each. Not because they were Jews but because they help each other to an extreme degree whenever they move to a new country.
In 1956 my family lived in Aleppo and all the American nationals were kicked out of Syria temporarily because of false flag operations effected on Syrians by CIA and Mossad in an effort to convince Syria Jews to leave. The same M.O. as in Iraq. Mossad bombed Jewish establishments and blamed Muslims for it. With the CIA's participation this time.
Israel just used Arab Jews to justify further land grabs. Ironically, many of my Iraqi Jewish classmates, who were not stupid, have a sense of entitlement and superiority which they ape from what I might call their Ashkenazi cousins except for the fact that the two groups are not related at all. The Iraqi Jews are the result of the HISTORIC Jewish diaspora. The Ashkenazi are the result of a gradual movement of the descendants of people who CONVERTED to Judaism during the Armenian/Azeribaijani conflict of 700 A.D. eastward. I have no idea what they identified as before that time. But their descendants have brought the world to the precipice of potential world war. To me, this is a clear lesson in the importance of learning who you are, where you come from, and valuing your own unique identity. Trying to take on someone else's is self-destructive and can morph into a monster that can destroy your neighbors. Lack of self-knowledge is very harmful. The Ashkenazi have no absolutely NO connection to Palestine. None. They are thieves, liars, murderers, rapists, racist sadists. And lost. They are a lost people. That is the true tragedy of their current situation in Palestine.
I don't know why so few Iraqi Jews have the courage to speak up and tell the truth. I take my hat off to you, Avi Shlaim. You were robbed of an incredible community, as was Iraq.
Most Iranian Jews I went to school with did not leave and have not to this day. The history of Jews in Iran goes back millenia.
As an addendum to that "Canadian": Because my birthplace is in Syria and my ethnicity is not easily identifiable because I'm a mixed-race Asian (Japanese-Canadian), the Canadian border police always detain me when I'm visiting my Canadian cousins for at least 1-1/2 hours checking me over and over in Interpol's database. I would never choose Canadian citizenship, although I can as I'm 2nd generation, because their racism is even worse than the United States'.
"To me, this is a clear lesson in the importance of learning who you are, where you come from, and valuing your own unique identity. Trying to take on someone else's is self-destructive and can morph into a monster that can destroy your neighbors. Lack of self-knowledge is very harmful" Well said but I believe the original Zionists knew who they were but weaponized biblical myths to legitimize their illegal invasion of Palestine. The world would be very different if we all accepted the scientific truth that we all are cousins, descendants of the mitochondrial Eve.
An eminent Ashkenazy was very well aware of his origins:
"It is even possible that my ancestry might not move in the direction of ancient Israel at all … After 965, the Khazars were through as an organized power, but Judaism may have remained, and it may well be that many East European Jews are descended from Khazars and the people they ruled. I may be one of them. Who knows? And who cares? —Isaac Asimov, It’s Been a Good Life, 2002"
I don't think they do know who they are. And if I tried to take over my cousins'--either Canadian or Texan--land I am sure the whole clan(s) would attack me. I don't belong in either place and am proud of that fact, frankly.
We don't accept that we are all each other's relatives because creating in-group/out-group dynamics has been necessary for our individual and group and species' survival. I might let an irritating younger sibling take over my house for awhile (though not for long) but I'm not letting an irritating cousin do so. I didn't grow up with them and don't know them that well. And I'm just talking about first cousins (and I have a lot of them, some being White Supremacists). We are also a territorial animal. "I need my space." I need my personal boundaries for my psychological survival. And you do too.
Many Muslim and Christian (and atheist) Palestinians are the descendants of converted Jews, if it comes to that. The Ashkenazi don't give a damn.
Come on. Read some history. The original Ashkenazi were working with the German rulers. They used each other. They weaponized Judaism because they needed bodies. They couldn't take over Palestine by themselves. And the original Zionists were privileged Europeans. Isaac Asimov was a privileged person. He wanted as much distance between himself and his ancestors he could create.
I would be interesting to learn what his attitude would have been today. Definitely.
Nosey, I have lived in both, Canada and Texas, and I met in Canada very nice cousins but unfortunately the ones in Texas don't accept our common ancestry. Of course, we all have different experiences, but the point is that we would be better off if we emphasized our similarities and forgot our diversity. I'm not a historian but I think the Ashkenazi worked with England, no Germany to pursue their Zionist project. The following paragraph is from Benjamin Freedman's book "Facts are facts":
" In view of the Emancipation Edict in Germany in 1822, Germans regarded the October 1916 London Agreement [between the Zionist and the British government] as a double-cross by Talmudists in Germany. Quota systems then existed in all other countries in Europe. There was no quota system in Germany after the Emancipation Edict of 1822 for Talmudists." and since then the Germans hated the Jews.
In my next reply to your posting, I will transcribe part of a very interesting interview from Amy Goodman to an Evangelical Christian Palestinian who probably is also the descendant of a converted Jew. Follows:
According to Israeli historians I am reading, the Ashkenazi worked with the Nazis. I wasn't born. I'm not German. And I am not Ashkenazi. But I've known a lot of Ashkenazi through the years and without a doubt, they have serious identity problems and a very twisted sub-culture. I have sympathy for them. Losing your identity and culture is terribly painful and an awful loss. But I don't care for the damage they inflict on others.
Nosey, I'm an ignorant man that wants to learn some true history. Could you please reply with the name of the Israeli historians and the titles of the books you are reading? Please.
Sure! I'm reading a mixture of Palestinian and Jewish Israeli and Jewish Americans. I haven't read Amira Hass but would like to. All these books I've read are by men. Nur Masalha wrote a book on Palestine going back into its real history, if you want to know about Palestine itself. As regards WWII and Zionists working with Nazis, there's not that much out there but mostly that information comes (for me) from Ilan Pappe and Gordon Levy. I'm also reading Norman Finkelstein although I don't remember if he goes down that corridor. An interesting American writer nobody much talks about, Thomas Suarez I think his name is, has written a number of books about how Israel was formed using terrorism. He is a violinist from NYC who worked with a Palestinian orchestra, not sure which one, for several years--I think he was in Gaza but am not sure--and has written quite a number of interesting books, not all about Palestine. I find him particularly interesting because he doesn't have anything to prove or defend. I also am particularly concerned about Mossad and Shin Bet so have read what i can get my hands on over the past 40-50 years. Ari Ben-Menashe, the Cockburns, Stephen Green (I think it was--I only have a xeroxed copy of his book), books on surveillance in the Israeli state, books on assassinations by the founders of Israel. There's a lot out there. If you want to know how terrorism birthed Israel, Ilan Pappe, Gordon Levy, and Suarez are the ones I would recommend first. There are also a lot of very informative sites online. I follow individual writers and decide how reliable they are and then really dig deep into what they are saying. I'm not interested in Nazis. I think our support of Ukrainian Nazis is incredibly stupid. I don't like right-wing fascists of any stripe. And I have lived under an authoritarian right-wing quasi-dictator (who took his orders from the CIA) who kept control with a well-developed police state so if terrorism is all you have to start a new country, you probably shouldn't, in my opinion. As for "true" history, I don't know about that. Read widely from many points of view and decide who you think is telling the truth. Zionism and Nazism have a lot in common and they did work hand-in-glove in Germany because they both wanted the same thing: Removal of Jews from Europe. The Nazis didn't care where to and the Zionists very much cared: European Jews died because the Zionists insisted they had to go to Palestine and nowhere else. Ilan Pappe. Start with him. He's had access to restricted archives. I haven't read that much of Levy. I'm sure I'm forgetting others.
Democracynow.org 08/14/24
Palestinian Reverend Munther Isaac to Faith Leaders in U.S.: "If You Are Silent, You Approve of Genocide"
"We speak with the Reverend Munther Isaac, pastor at the Evangelical Lutheran Christmas Church in Bethlehem, who joins us in our New York studio for an in-depth conversation.
AMY GOODMAN: Have you spoken to the lobby group Christians United for Israel? It’s one of the largest pro-Israel organizations in the United States, has something like 11 million members. The group’s annual summit largely focuses on advocating for increased U.S. military aid to Israel.
REV. MUNTHER ISAAC: I’ve never spoken to them directly. I don’t think they will even recognize me as a Palestinian to speak to. It’s a very extreme group. It’s a very militarized group. And it’s shocking to me, again, that such a thing exists in our Christian thinking, because Jesus is the antithetical of all of this. And the twisted irony in groups like Christians United for Israel is that in the end times scenarios that they fascinate about, they think of a scenario in which two-thirds — you know, when the Jews gather in Palestine, two-thirds of them will be massacred in a big Armageddon type of war, and then the other third will convert to Christianity. And somehow this group is considered pro-Israel or, you know, fighting for the Jews, when, in essence, some of their views are truly antisemitic. And rather than channeling all of these efforts and movement into peace and coexistence between Palestinians and Israelis, they’re promoting war, which, again, shocks me. So, I hope they listen. But I also hope that people of good conscience in this country, faith leaders from different traditions, speak up against them. And many actually gathered outside of the meeting of Christians United for Israel to show their protest and to say, “Not in our name,” and I’m very grateful for that.
AMY GOODMAN: Yes, earlier this year, nearly 150 Mennonites were arrested on Capitol Hill in an act of peaceful civil disobedience as they called for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza. So, clearly, the Christian community is divided on this.
REV. MUNTHER ISAAC: It’s divided. And in December, in the sermon I gave in Bethlehem, I said Gaza has become the moral compass of the world. Gaza has divided the world, not on the basis of religion or ethnicity or nationality, but really on moral, ethical grounds. And it has divided even many Christians... AMY GOODMAN: Has the Jewish opposition to Israel’s war on Gaza surprised you, the number of people in the United States, Jews who have been arrested, who have engaged in protest?
REV. MUNTHER ISAAC: Yes and no. And I say no because even before this war, there has been a divide. And actually, surveys showed that, ironically, support to Israel among white evangelicals have always been stronger in the United States than that of the Jewish community. And I also say no because it’s part of the Jewish faith and tradition to be for justice. And, you know, I’ve seen the work with the civil rights in this country, particularly. But, yes, because it’s really getting stronger and stronger. Groups like IfNotNow and Jewish Voice for Peace and Rabbis for Ceasefire, they’re really speaking up and being well organized — and not just speaking, demonstrating. Many of them, I think, have been arrested. And I’m grateful for their clarity in their opposition to Zionism, because we need to call Zionism for what it truly is. And it’s not just that they’re standing for a ceasefire or peace right now, but they’re clear in their diagnosis of the problem. The ideology of exclusion that Zionism is promoting, and supremacy, has to be called out. And I’m grateful that many Jewish groups in the United States now and around the world is speaking up against Zionism."
Read my reply about the Khazars above. There is very little, if any, solid historical evidence. Plus recent genetic testing shows the Ashkenazim to be very much related to the other Jewish lineages.
Rafi, I could not find your reply about the Khazars. Could you please tell me which are your sources to look at the "recent genetic testing of the Ashkenazim? This seems quite interesting because it would contradict the views of two respected Israeli historians: Ilan Pappe and Shlomo Sand along with the research of American Jew Benjamin Freeman who in his book "Fact are facts" has the following sentences:
"The Jewish Encyclopedia has five pages on the Khazars but I will skip through them: “CHAZARS: A people of Turkish origin whose life and history are interwoven with THE VERY BEGINNINGS OF THE HISTORY OF JEWS OF RUSSIA… driven on by the nomadic tribes of the steppes and by THEIR OWN DESIRE FOR PLUNDER AND REVENGE… In the second half of the sixth century the Chazars moved westward… The kingdom of the Chazars was firmly established in MOST OF SOUTH RUSSIA BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE RUSSIAN MONARCHY BY THE VARANGIANS (855)… At this time the kingdom of the Chazars stood at the height of its power AND WAS CONSTANTLY AT WAR… At the end of the eighth century… the chagan (king) of the Chazars and his grandees, TOGETHER WITH A LARGE NUMBER OF HIS PEOPLE; EMBRACED THE JEWISH RELIGION… The Jewish population in the entire domain of the Chazars, in the period between the seventh and tenth centuries, MUST HAVE BEEN CONSIDERABLE… about THE NINTH CENTURY, IT APPEARS AS IF ALL THE CHAZARS WERE JEWS AND THAT THEY HAD BEEN CONVERTED TO JUDAISM ONLY A SHORT TIME BEFORE… It was one of the successors of Bulan named Obadiah, who regenerated the kingdom and STRENGTHEN THE JEWISH RELIGION. He invited Jewish scholars to settle in his dominions and founded SYNAGOGUES AND SCHOOLS. The people were instructed in the Bible, Mishnah, and the TALMUD and in the ‘divine service of the hazzanim’… In their writings the CHAZARS USED THE HEBREW LETTERS… THE CHAZAR LANGUAGES PREDOMINATED... Obadiah was succeeded by his Son Isaac; Isaac by his son Moses (or Manasseh II); the latter by his son Nisi; and Nisi by his son Aarron II. King Joseph himself was a son of Aaron, AND ASCENDED THE THRONE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAW OF THE CHAZARS RELATING TO SUCCESSION… The king had twenty-five wives all of royal blood, and sixty concubines, all famous beauties. Each one slept in a separate tent and was watched by a enuch ... THIS SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN THE BEGINNING OF THE DOWNFALL OF THE CHAZAR KINGDOM… The Russian Varangians established themselves at Kiev… until the final conquest of the Chazars by the Russians… After a hard fight the Russians conquered the Chazars… Four years later the Russians conquered all the Chazarian territory east of the Azov… Many members of the Chazarian royal family emigrated to Spain… Some went to Hungary, BUT THE GREAT MASS OF THE PEOPLE REMAINED IN THEIR NATIVE COUNTRY.”
My comment is now below; it's a 2nd tier response to Parker's 1sr post, a sound argument from history and genetics. And explains about the Khazars.
Yes, I could link precise scientific studies, which would only be titles. Won't change the mind of anyone determined to believe the contrary. It's like people determined to deny COVID, or climate change, or that the Jewish or Native American holocausts happened, or that the US Dem party is not democratic.
Do a search for "ashkenazi jews y chromosome link to other jewish groups" Plenty will come up. Including from the respected scientific journal "Nature" with precise chromosome loci and statistical analyses. One from Harvard Med published in the journal "Cell" on founder event genetics regarding Ashkenazi Jewish history. Another published in the American Journal of Human Genetics is of the Ashkenazi Cohanim, a priestly group by inheritance through the paternal line (ie, the Y chromosome.) It shows common ancestry with other Jewish groups and an origin in the ancient Near East. Another article in "Nature" is specifically about the R1a clade of the Y chromosome. There are also Wiki entries on the subject. Point is there's lots of scientifically sound evidence.
I am familiar with the claims by the authors you cited. Very.very few people, especially academics, support them.If you really want to examine this, check their sources. It's an old story retold for many reasons, few of them very good. Especially in old Russia, the history of which I have studied. Including reading in Russian.
I just read the Jewish Encyclopedia source referred to. It's much more subtle than those authors, including statements that much of the evidence about conversion of the Khazars is doubtful. (BTW, "Khazar" is the standard spelling; "Chazar" is used in the Encyclopedia probably because that's the old way of transliterating the associated Hebrew sound.) Most telling is that the extensive piece on Khazar history has absolutely NOTHING about the Khazars as the ancestors of Ashkenazi Jews. Implying it does would be a deliberately misleading tactic on the part of those authors.
That's the last I'll deal with any of this. This thread is full of distortions and perhaps unintentional errors. Particularly with theological statements. But I'm an elder; I don't have the energy to handle every last argument by assertion.
Thank you for your reply. I don't want to disturb you, the elder (not of Zion), anymore and I promise to check the links that graciously you provided to me. On the other hand, I consider Nosey's reply to you quite possible. The fact that khazars converted to Judaism should surprise nobody. Although today Jewish proselytism is very low, during the Hasmonaean period was quite intensive and there are historians that believe that the translation of the Pentateuch into Greek made by Jewish scholars in Alexandria had the purpose of facilitating the proselytizing of monotheism within the Hellenistic world. For me, the important thing is that the Zionist claim of the land of Palestine based on bible mythology is false and has brought terrible results. I don't believe you approve of genocide, and if this is true, we are brothers.
You got it right !
But, Petroleum (Oil and Gas) found in large quantities in Arabian Deserts made the Western Nations messing around to GRAB Energy Resources and all other Resources…couldn’t know where to put the Jews …..so still Genocide is a Popular Game in the control of Energy Resources.
Unfortunately Arab leaders and Ambivalent in their position….disunited, Selfish and compete among themselves….undercut each other !
Let us hope, Palestine will bring the Arabs together, Inshallah !
Yes. A lot of my classmates' fathers did work in the oil fields in Ahwaz and Abadan, although some were lawyers, businessmen, CPAs, etc. It was a terrible brain drain, though Iraq did all right without them. Iraqis of whatever extraction were highly intelligent and very well educated until the US came in and pulverized their country. I am quite sure they are highly intelligent and probably well-educated today.
Whether or not Arab leaders unite--highly unlikely, though their populations are another matter entirely--I suspect the US and Israel will unite the Arabs quite well. Iran-ic. (pun intended) It's obvious to everyone in the Middle East what the US intentions are. (Pulverizing everyone.) However, they need shipping and/or trains/truck routes or pipelines to move that black gold. And I don't think they will be controlling any of those things.
Seems that old canard of Ashkenazim not being "real" Jews is still around. It is an old anti-Semitic trope used by Tsarist Russians, American racists, and the fringe Christian Identity group that insists that Nordic peoples (Germanic and Celtic) are the true descendants of ancient Israelites. Goes with the same "logic" as The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which is also still being claimed as true by the far right.
This falsehood comes from the idea that the Ashkenazim originated with the Khazars, a people of the central Caucasus, a small number of whom in the 9th century CE supposedly converted to Judaism. There is very little historical support for this; its recent popularity rose mostly because of the 1976 book by Arthur Koestler //The Thirteenth Tribe.// Recent genetic tests reveal no evidence for it, either. While Y chromosome analyses show Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Middle Eastern, and North African and Samaritan lineages to have common ancestry.
Traditionally, you are "Jewish" through your mother because before DNA testing there was no definitive way of identifying who your father was. Therefore the Y chromosome is irrelevant. Sharon was going to have all Israelis to have their mitochondria tested (which you get through your mother). Shortly after that announcement he had his mysterious massive "stroke" and disappeared from view until roughly 15 years later when people started wondering aloud where he was and what happened to him. The 'state" briefly began talking about him--very briefly, as I recall--and then he "suddenly" "died". He was disappeared because they were afraid of the results of mitochondrial testing of the Jewish Israelis. You might find some in recent generations of Ashkenazi but pre WWII the intermarriage of European and Middle Eastern Jews was pretty rare.
The issue isn't who is real or who is not real. But if your claim to the land of Palestine is based on it having been in your family 2000 years ago, your actual biological relationship to Palestinian Jews is relevant.
I could give a damn. Racist sadists are racist sadists; psychopaths are psychopaths; sociopaths are sociopaths. Murder is murder. Theft is theft. None of this behavior is JEWISH.
It isn't an anti-Semitic "trope". History is history. Ashkenazi are descended from a group, self-identified as Jews, who lived in southwestern Russia and whom the tsars used to create a coalesced Russian identity through the age-old system of identifying one group as "other". The "Jews" were "other" and in harassing and trying to remove them, the tsars developed a Russian identity among the other tribes then living in the area. They came from what is today Georgia which has a strong links to Israel today and as I understand it is primarily Jewish.
But you already know this. They converted in 700 to avoid being pulled into the Armenian/Azarbaijani conflict which continues to this day. Mizrahi are treated very poorly by Ashkenazi in Israel. They're second class citizens there which is why many Mizrahi whom I grew up with who emigrated there now live in Europea or the US. The Ashkenazi have serious identity problems.
A "real" Jew is someone who believes in and follows the rules of Judaism. I don't see much of that in Israel, whoever their ancestors are. Genocide is not Jewish.
“Traditionally, you are "Jewish" through your mother because before DNA testing there was no definitive way of identifying who your father was “. …. Ask Mary, but she won’t tell who is the Father …so ..so many mothers ….Sitting in a plane from London to Dallas, I read an Article in Times of London…. Long time back …… it was about Who is the Father ? ….. Apparently, the Author did some research and concluded that many Mothers married or unmarried really want to make the choice whom to father her child ! According to the Author, this number covers around 10 percent of the wives or 10 percent of the Children …so, we men better live with this statistics ! Let the Mothers Guard their Secret !
I watch the Wild Life Videos … from Birds to all other four legged …Animals …. Again the Female makes the Choice !
And the truth shall set us free! - Indeed - this interview with Avi Shlaim is an important part of truth-telling - the exposure of the Ashkenazim and their false flag embroilment of Arab Jews - the Mizrahim (Avi himself born in Baghdad in 1945) seals the lying and murderous foundations of the modern Zionist state of Israel...
I keep reading these comments and I am sometimes amused by the ignorance of the world.
WE have 'tiny' planet which we ALL live on.......is it too much to ask that we 'share' our knowledge?
When I was in a Moravian school (in the dying British Empire)I was taught that the 'cradle of civiiization' was Persia. Yes this was a boarding school for girls whose parents were fighting for the British Empire in India/Sri Lanka/Indonesia etc.
I have a totally different 'mindset.'
I have lived my life in 4 different countries for a long time.
When I speak out in France against the Front National I am cited as British.
I stand there on the podium and forcefully proclaim " I have NO country."
I have been deridid in France and Little England but the fact is I am from this wonderful earth which each country I have lived in is destroying.
COME together.
BULL PUCKY you ignorant American bigot and Imperialist. In 1939 your MANICHEAN Iranian third century church-initiated religion Saint Thomas Chrysostom and Saint Augustine inspired CHURCH began the Final Solution by sponsored rioting in Havana so Hitler could say nobody wants Jews on this planet and the British, Americans, Canada and all of Latin America denied even Palestine to Jewish refugees. I attended High Holiday Service in St Johnsbury and felt HUMAN but St Johnsbury knows Ben and Jerry , Paul Newman and Bernie made Vermont no longer worthy of my father's appellation controlle of Mississippi North. .
I am CANADIAN. Canada is a full democracy and loves Zelensky and both Israelis and Palestinians. We welcome Russian refugees and Mark Twain the greatest journalist that ever wrote said the only noble Russian noble is a dearly departed Russian noble in the 1860s. The good old days when America was great but Russia was number one Britain was number two (pun) We needed 2 million more Canadians yesterday to turn into Canadians.
You tell us how CHRISTIAN you aren't. Arthur Miller wrote the Crucible about Harvard not my wife's birthplace of Commodore the Nazi Vanderbilt's University John Ralston was the North American since Michigan's Miller to head PEN International.
This is Canada we love Venezuelan peasants and Haitians, Russians, Israelis and Palestinian and Americans know human bondage from their first homage to slavery and human bondage the Star Spangled banner. They never learn abour the farce at Fort McHenry.
What we need are burger flippers who understand real democracy and another Trump prresidency would allow our Tim Horton's to open 24/07/365 and Amazon would no longer be a money loser north of Vermont and New Hampshire.
I remember when I trusted Chris as a valuable journalist but John Ralston Saul is my hero and you may have written the Foreword of an Anniversary edition of Voltaire's Bastards but you never read the book dedicated to Hannah Arendt and THE BANALITY OF EVIL. It is not Chris' fault he is an idiot America teaches all its citizens to be BANAL. As Ambrose Bierce said in the 19th century. Abracadabrans are WHAT's the matter with Kansas and Baum wrote the Wizards of Oz.
David was a Jewish Messiah and a very flawed human but he slew Goliath the Palestinian in one of our more ethnocentric fables and Palestinians and Jews still fight over the blood soaked sands of Gaza. My ancestors fled the Basque in 1492 and fled Russian Orthodoxy in Ukraine. Russia is CHRISTIAN and Putin is a leading Patriarch. No Jews were allowed in WEngland from Richard's return from the Crusades and England celebrated with Jew roast before they had Texas Bar-be-que and no Jews were tolerated in Shakespeare's England.
Why do you hate Bibi he is an American Fascist not a real Jew. He is New England, Harvard not Jesus of Nazareth of whom Thomas Jefferson wrote of in1820. Jefferson understood Manicheanism isn't Christian.
Yeah, the Manischewitz Kosher wine makers ? and they also have a Manicheanism …. A ..nism ? So, they Zionismist ? Ya ?
https://www.orwell.ru/library/articles/As_I_Please/english/efasc
What can I say that Orwell didn't say better.
Judaism is about balance Manicheanism is about Heaven or Hell.
St Thomas called for the Final Solution in the fourth century and the Vatican sponsored riots in Havana in 1939 that gave God's permission for the FINAL SOLUTION.
The Leader of our Democratic Socialists of Canada is Jagmeet Singh what do you think about Seikhs and Moslem Canadians or are you ST Thomas?
Samuel Johnson was a conservative and wrote the Dictionary and he was a racist and an English Supremacist
Taxation no Tyranny 1775
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_no_Tyranny
Johnson wrote the dictionary
religion
https://johnsonsdictionaryonline.com/views/search.php?term=religion
conservative
https://johnsonsdictionaryonline.com/views/search.php?term=conservative
Pedantry is AMERICA: SEE HUMPTY DUMPTY ALICE THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS.
We can go on and on ….in a loop ….but what is obvious is that the Middle East Religions are a mess with no deep meaning to explain anything substantial about Life and Who am I ! Let us stay out of these fundamental questions here …just talk about American Politics …Colonialism, and what is going on in Palestine ….forget anything about Spiritual matters ….never Religion …or even Beliefs ! Beliefs has left the Middle East Regions in a never ending Nonsense Loop !
Agreed let's talk fascism
Orwell's essay on Fascism comes to mind Orwell taught me I wanted to write despite my autism.
https://www.orwell.ru/library/articles/As_I_Please/english/efasc
I just watched John the Fascist Kasich on nMSNBC talk trash and nonsense unchallenged because he is viewed as a Moderate?
When in 1964 Ronald Iscariot Reagan said Liberal democracy was America's worst nightmare after 31 years of liberal democracy brought most Americans out of poverty and illiteracy and made America the greatest it ever was.
The Southern strategy was and is morally ethically and socially bankrupt.
I went to school with moslems, protestants, atheists, jews and anyone who renounced Catholicism in a population 85% Catholic.
Edmund Burke could serve in Parliament because his parents renounced their Catholicism.
Fascism = religion in Quebec
We supported the ACLU for forty years they betrayed us by bringing Bill 21 to Canada's Supreme where if they agree to hear case Canada will cease to exist.
Bill 21
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-appeal-court-decision-bill-21-1.7128447
We are one of three fully democratic nations in the America's . Canada, Uruguay and tiny Costa Rica. Costa Rica was founded by Labour Zionists. Labour Zionists not fascists like Goldvasser and Miller. Labour Zionist are not University of Shitcago.
Labour Zionists are Bernie Sanders' secular democrat socialists and were even Republicans of long ago like Jacob Javits who believed public servants serve and electors rule until 1964 in San Francisco and Governor Reagan's southern takeover of America. The south rose again and America is respected only for itsmight not for its bright. Its been a long 60 year decline since America aspired to real greatness and lead us into a better future. Viet Nam was a mistake.
In early early 19th century Thomas Chandler Haliburton was the top selling English language writer on Earth said.
"When a man is angry and won't admit it, he always gets angry.".
Sam Slick is as American in 2024 as he was in 1824.
There is a Lot ….not only the Europeans are Guilty !
I know people have problems with your name but if you visit the mall on Cote des Neige just North of the Jewish General Hospital where Doctor Gopalan worked your name is more common than John Smith. Are you also a Canadian troll.
Unknowns that are not understandable become a mystery ….., for me not only my name …all names are Names ! I met a very few who had trouble with my name… it is not just a name ….it has meanings !
For your Benefit, Here is the meaning;
Thiru = an Esteemed Object mostly like a Salutation similar to His Highness …or His Holiness etc.
Gnana = Wisdom , or Knowledge of Spiritual Inquiry
Sampanthan = The Person Associated with such Qualities as Above !
So, Put all three together …. Thirugnanasampanthan is the Person Associated with Esteemed Wisdom on Spiritual Knowledge !
We don’t have just a Name like a Label, like every other names !
I am not arrogant, just letting you know and clear your “Problems”. I rarely explain my name to others …Name can be Just a Name !
Fortunately … My Father was a Scholar in Hinduism and Tamil Language ! Maybe some knowledge of Sanskrit as well,
Well read in Hinduism, also possessed good knowledge of Mathematics, Astronomy etc…. So was my Physics Professor,
My Physics Professor did his Graduate Studies at The Cambridge University, in UK, and did all his Research work at the Cavendish Laboratory under the Famous Physicist, Lord Earnest Rutherford !
My Professor was also a Scholar in Hindu Philosophy, He wrote many articles about Hinduism and How Hinduism fits in the Story of the Universe as we read now …since Einstein and others ! But Hinduism Incorporated the Ideas …of Expanding Universe etc. from Time Immemorial !
I have been to many places and Malls around the Globe ….nothing is too difficult for me !
I had already understood your name. Doctor Gopalan was Tamil and I do a lot of different curries in my kitchen as I have for 50 years. Plaza Cote des Neige is replete with Jews, Hindus, Moslems, Atheists, Christians and people who love people.
Impressive Rutherford wow. My family and my wife's must give permission but at Chicago next lab over to my wife was David Suzuki and his Drosophila and they found us here in southern Quebec.
I just got some Chili Kush hot sauce from the Cannabis store Pineapple, apple cider vinegar, honey, orange habanero peppers sea salt, garlic, coconut oil, spice, Xanthum gum, Cannabis extract. Just the right formula for a political convention. My wife does not eat hot curries or inhale but my friends do.
The supermarket nans leave much to the imagination but our local organic grains are a wow.
I have brother and cousins in Toronto area …,
I love to come to Montreal to Cook Curry with you in your Kitchen and enjoy with your family !
Love you !❤️
Thank you
Very informative, very interesting.
These back stories are unknown to most and have laid the groundwork for todays reality.
The Middle East has been divvied up with little to no regard of the indigenous folk, same as most of the world.
The insights from this article tie in the Christian (Catholic) Church as a prime source of antisemitism as well as a progenitor of Islamophobia.
I am 89 years old, have traveled to 51 different countries including Iran and Israel and agree with Professor Avi Shlaim racism exists in Israel as well. It feeds on itself and creates the enemy necessary for Nationalism.
The Jewish American (born in Finland) writer Max I. Dimont wrote a couple of popular books on Jewish history. Including the era of what is known as the Babylonian Captivity. Perhaps as much as 25% of the population of Judah was forced to go to the Mesopotamian region now known as Iraq.
After its conquest by the Persian Empire (Iran) the Judeans were allowed to return to their homeland. Dimont describes what happened as "they stayed away in droves." Why leave a comfortable and learned urban culture for near desert conditions and an unstable future?
Point is that Jewish residents of majority Arab and Iranian lands go back a very long way. Given the extensive history, obviously that's evidence there weren't many problems for a very long time.
People are always free and Truthful ! But, it is our Deeply Corrupt Politicians who run their own Antisemitism Business for their Benefit and the Zionists’ Benefit ….then they have or rather own the Police and National Guards… to let loose on the People if they Demonstrate Against the Lies of Zionists !
We live in a Twisted World !!
I never knew of this history. Thank you for this work.
This was a wonderful interview, in just under an hour it captures virtually the whole problem with Zionism and what I now think of (following the late Akiva Orr's book) The (un)Jewish State. Several years ago I went to see the late Robert Fisk interview Avi Shlaim and it was an equally illuminating evening (Birmingham, UK). It's so refreshing to hear Prof Shlaim lay it out in simple language, without hyperbole or abusive language, where his humanity comes across so warmly. And he talks "more in sorrow than in anger." Thanks so much for the interview, both. I've sent the link around!
Strangely enough there are actually billions of people that are fine with diversity.
I saw another interview with the “estimable” Max Blumenthal on how horrible Biden has been while seeming to imply that Trump is going to be nicer to those Palestinians than Biden. Neither one of these politicians care at all about the Palestinians. And Max thinks somehow that the Big Oil cartel, are really just a nice bunch of people, instead of the ruthless cartel that it actually is.
Where are you getting this? Why "seeming to imply"--especially since this wording is a double cautionary that in itself implies a less than objective personal interpretation. As for favoring Big Oil--huh? I'm for sure not saying he's right about everything. But because of his pro-Palestinian and Ukraine critic writing, he has been subjected to vicious attacks by very powerful government and media people.
Blumenthal, along with the filmmaker Dan Cohen, made a film done from the perspective of Gazan Palestinians titled "Killing Gaza." Go read his material at the Grayzone along with the other writers there. Look at what they've reported that the MSM would not. And how much they've been right about.
Amazing, Chris. Lots of new insights (for me).