It's not that you can't be bothered, it's that you can't. The cargo cult nonsense of "sociopathy" is well established to be pseudoscientific waffle at this point. The reason Nazis only repented when caught isn't "they were sociopaths". The lesson is "they were humans". Repentance is beyond almost everyone, whereas atrocities are within easy reach of almost everyone. That includes you, that includes me.
Way to tell me you wish to reserve to yourself the right to make fantastical and counterfactual assertions, without actually telling me. Claiming that people are "sociopaths" is at this point the exact intellectual equivalent of claiming they've been possessed by demons.
Claiming that we're all child-murdering Israeli snipers in waiting just waiting for an opportunity to murder children seems even more irrational. I can say with absolute confidence that I would never kill a child with a rifle. if you can't, that's on you, not humanity.
I read somewhere recently that becoming a CEO or a power-holding politician wreaks changes within the brain which I think equate with hubris. One's decisions are the best decisions - and generally such people are surrounded by the nodding yes-men/sycophants! And away we go. Not a psychopath/sociopath - until handed or coming into possession of - the levers of power - after which anything can go.
Another interesting comment, Jim. I believe that ego is one of the most corrupting forces there is, and that holding fast to humility helps us to remain sane.
Sure chum, i "proved your point", if only in the fantasy world in which "sociopath" is an actual thing.
"Antisocial Personality Disorder" is just the latest attempt to rebrand debunked old pseudo-diagnoses and to tighten up the arbitrary pick-list of traits that are meant to describe the afflicted. The "criteria" are still self-evidently drivel even in this latest shiny version however, and those who cleave to the concept of "antisocial personality disorder" are demonstrating the same epistemological ineptitude their forebears did. Obviously.
"Before, your argument was that sociopathy didn't have firm diagnostic criteria."
- Not only does it NOT have firm diagnostic criteria, it's not even a diagnosis. Your frantic attempts to hastily conflate Antisocial Personality Disorder with "sociopathy" haven't shown anything to be incorrect... except your reasoning.
"It's obvious, you don't like it"
- I don't like nonsense and make-believe twaddle. I'm surprised anyone does. I'm surprised that you do.
"and throw out rationales so vague as to be unfalsifiable."
- There's nothing vague about my claim that even the contemporary pseudo-scientific term "Antisocial Personality Disorder" is meaningless waffle with no firm diagnostic criteria. Even a cursory glance at the DSM's criteria reveals them to be arbitrary (arbitrary age ranges, arbitrary and vague descriptions of behavior, the classic "pick any three of these random and vague descriptors to complete your diagnosis" facebook-quiz level psychiatric mummery).
If you were dispassionate and logical this would be apparent to you. But then if you were so, you wouldn't have typed out your very first post on this matter, would you.
"twaddle" means "twaddle". Meaningless nonsense, unconnected with reality. Which is both an apt description of the tomfoolery surrounding both the amateur pseudo-diagnoses of "sociopath" beloved of randoms like you on the internet... and also an apt description of the professional pseudo-diagnoses of "antisocial personality disorder" beloved of under-educated and over-qualified professional bead-rattlers from the less illustrious side of the psychiatric profession, for the reasons elucidated in the immediately preceding post.
Without bothering to address your point in detail, the only Nazis who repented were the ones who were caught.
It's not that you can't be bothered, it's that you can't. The cargo cult nonsense of "sociopathy" is well established to be pseudoscientific waffle at this point. The reason Nazis only repented when caught isn't "they were sociopaths". The lesson is "they were humans". Repentance is beyond almost everyone, whereas atrocities are within easy reach of almost everyone. That includes you, that includes me.
I forgot that if you can't quantify it, then it doesn't exist.
Way to tell me you wish to reserve to yourself the right to make fantastical and counterfactual assertions, without actually telling me. Claiming that people are "sociopaths" is at this point the exact intellectual equivalent of claiming they've been possessed by demons.
Claiming that we're all child-murdering Israeli snipers in waiting just waiting for an opportunity to murder children seems even more irrational. I can say with absolute confidence that I would never kill a child with a rifle. if you can't, that's on you, not humanity.
I read somewhere recently that becoming a CEO or a power-holding politician wreaks changes within the brain which I think equate with hubris. One's decisions are the best decisions - and generally such people are surrounded by the nodding yes-men/sycophants! And away we go. Not a psychopath/sociopath - until handed or coming into possession of - the levers of power - after which anything can go.
Another interesting comment, Jim. I believe that ego is one of the most corrupting forces there is, and that holding fast to humility helps us to remain sane.
You prove my point, although apparently the latest DSM uses the term "antisocial personality disorder" and provides diagnostic criteria.
Sure chum, i "proved your point", if only in the fantasy world in which "sociopath" is an actual thing.
"Antisocial Personality Disorder" is just the latest attempt to rebrand debunked old pseudo-diagnoses and to tighten up the arbitrary pick-list of traits that are meant to describe the afflicted. The "criteria" are still self-evidently drivel even in this latest shiny version however, and those who cleave to the concept of "antisocial personality disorder" are demonstrating the same epistemological ineptitude their forebears did. Obviously.
Before, your argument was that sociopathy didn't have firm diagnostic criteria. This was shown to be incorrect.
It's obvious, you don't like it and throw out rationales so vague as to be unfalsifiable. In other words, you argue for the sake of argument.
"Before, your argument was that sociopathy didn't have firm diagnostic criteria."
- Not only does it NOT have firm diagnostic criteria, it's not even a diagnosis. Your frantic attempts to hastily conflate Antisocial Personality Disorder with "sociopathy" haven't shown anything to be incorrect... except your reasoning.
"It's obvious, you don't like it"
- I don't like nonsense and make-believe twaddle. I'm surprised anyone does. I'm surprised that you do.
"and throw out rationales so vague as to be unfalsifiable."
- There's nothing vague about my claim that even the contemporary pseudo-scientific term "Antisocial Personality Disorder" is meaningless waffle with no firm diagnostic criteria. Even a cursory glance at the DSM's criteria reveals them to be arbitrary (arbitrary age ranges, arbitrary and vague descriptions of behavior, the classic "pick any three of these random and vague descriptors to complete your diagnosis" facebook-quiz level psychiatric mummery).
If you were dispassionate and logical this would be apparent to you. But then if you were so, you wouldn't have typed out your very first post on this matter, would you.
Apparently "twaddle" and "dispassionate and rational" just means "agrees with Al".
"twaddle" means "twaddle". Meaningless nonsense, unconnected with reality. Which is both an apt description of the tomfoolery surrounding both the amateur pseudo-diagnoses of "sociopath" beloved of randoms like you on the internet... and also an apt description of the professional pseudo-diagnoses of "antisocial personality disorder" beloved of under-educated and over-qualified professional bead-rattlers from the less illustrious side of the psychiatric profession, for the reasons elucidated in the immediately preceding post.
So inexact use of words is bad, except when you do it.