Nothing would be more welcome to me than the dissolution of the State of Israel. I want to make very clear that I do not mean by violence or force.
This can be accomplished by democratic means, provided that enough of the world outside of this psychotic state contributes to the effort. There are good things about Israel, and obviously many great things about the Jewish people. I don’t know of anything good about Zionism.
Boycott, divestment, sanction. Then heal.
Heal this savage gash across the soul of humanity. It won’t heal itself. The Jews, and all people, deserve better than Zionism.
I live in the Zion my father believed in and my grandfather and my great father I live in Bernie Country overlooking the Connecticut River Valley to the South and the sewer I call New York City where my father landed in 1926. My father called Vermont; Mississippi North and the lodges and inns said Gentiles Only and we weren't allowed near the stables. Vermont was poor and Hillbillies lived from Manchester to Philipsburg Quebec the Booze Capital during prohibition and Newport to Windsor, Vermont and Portland Maine.
Then along came Ben and Bernie, and Jerry and Paul Newman and Vermont is democratic and Mississippi is still Mississippi and Texas is Mississippi South and Florida is Germany in 1929. It can't happen here , yet Germany is one year older than CANADA and we have a hate monger and divider Pierre the fascist Polievre as a head of our Regressive CONservatives a Redneck like JD VANCE from Alberta's virulent hate ridden Bible Belt.
It is interesting for this Red Sea Pedestrian whose ancestors fled the Basque in 1492 to avoid Rome's Inquisition and whose ancestors built synagogues in Ukraine before the Immaculate Conception to watch the theatre in New Rome and old Russia and Aramean Jerusalem and Gaza. It was just yesterday day that our very flawed Messiah David slew the Palestinian champion Goliath. Leonard Cohen led the country band at Kamala's High School wrote the story of David and called it Hallelujah.
Funny thing about the Jewish High Holidays in St Johnsbury it looks like my Father's Zion an America where like Westmount High School in Montreal where Kamala graduated from High School.
At Westmount there is only one religion, one gender and one race Homo Sapien and there Ain't No Cure for Love.
I once loved Chris Hedges but he has not grown in the 30 years since John Ralston Saul a Socratic philosopher and economic historian and former head of PEN International published his Doubter's Companion: A Dictionary of Aggressive Common Sense.
Page 85 Viking Press 1994
Cynicism: An effective social mechanism for preventing communication.
I grew up near Shyamala GOPalan's Jewish General Hospital and I lived in Chicago's Woodlawn for over decade. Leonard Cohen led the country band at Westmount High School and in Woodlawn Obama lost an election because everybody knew the dice were loaded and everybody knew the Good Guys Lost.
It's hard for me to believe that anything less than a crushing defeat of Israel in war, followed by a wholesale de-Zionisation of Israeli society, with war crimes trials of the present genocidal leadership, is what is required for any kind of a real solution for the troubles in that part of the world.
Although Gaza is the most urgent issue, and we cannot turn our eyes from them, there is increasing settler violence and land confiscation in the West Bank, aka illegally Occupied Territory. Here’s a group we can support, made up of committed Israelis and Palestinians working together to protect the Palestinians there.
Work on the Ground: Transforming Lives in Israel-Palestine — American Friends of Combatants for Peace
What I’ve never understood is where all the money is coming from to “influence” elections and crush critics of Zionism. I didn’t know this went back so many decades and found this interview with Professor Pappe to be quite illuminating.
I maintain that Americans that once believed in Manifest Destiny, owning Homestead plots and enjoying the riches of the seven generation rule of Native American land management practices are complete Hypocrites to criticize Israel and their grass cutting murders.
Where are our Native Populations and what are they doing today besides meth? Support cleaning of America's land and air before levying criticism of a foreign government against literally all of their neighbors. Israel would simply not exist without US/UK support so do not be surprised if they are hostile to anyone that opposes further support.
103B in imports, 73B in exports. That money's coming from *somewhere*
Native peoples aren't yours or mine, Kimosbe, and I object to the way that you try to use the defiant survivors of that genocide as a cheap example. What are they doing today? Um, maybe you've heard of Deb Haaland, the US Sec'y of the Interior. In California, Native Americans are partners in major land restoration efforts, and are putting casino revenue to good use.
White people who homesteaded in the 1850s have been dead for 100 years. Their children are just as likely to be using meth as any Native American. This said, I more object to your manner of speech than to your point. To me what is most hypocritical is Americans who criticize Israel from inside the walls of their enclaves and complain that it's difficult to communicate with their hired help because they only speak Mexican.
I do all my own work and my own government tried to kill me for it.
There are plenty of Natives continuing to be good stewards of the land, but the worst thing they did was turn away their biggest supporters of all those pissed off veterans at Standing Rock.
There must be an immediate ceasefire in Gaza. Pope Francis has said what is needed, now he must do what is needed by going to Gaza and standing for peace, justice and freedom.
Kamala Harris attended Westmount High School in Montreal Quebec Canada. In Quebec City Capital City of Quebec our Prime Minister Francois Legault has decreed the Pope persona non grata until he apologizes for 1600 hundred years of tyranny and terror. At Kamala's High school there are only Homo Sapiens. There are no religions, no genders, there are no races. Imagine at Kamala's High School healthcare, education and welfare are human rights and abortion is a human right called healthcare.
I love and admire both your works and I’m so happy you’re still speaking out. And for now, I’m grateful I can still hear it.
I have one quick question that I’m not sure you can answer, Do either of you have thoughts on the 2024 election? I so wish we could vote for the green party instead of not voting or voting for the lesser evil. Any thoughts on this at all?
This was a truly outstanding interview that deepened my understanding of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I agree with the predictions about Israel's future. I think they are digging themselves into a hole so deep they won't be able to climb out of it.
What about Michael Hudson’s economic analysis of the strategic value of Israel first to Britain in its decline of imperialist global power and control of energy resources then to the US in handover after WW2….little to do with Judaism….?
Not an easy listen/watch but a rich, granular treatment that shows exactly how long this AIPAC/Power over structure has been influencing America. It is easy to listen to information about this awful system and think, “now I know a little more” and yet to know that we know so little.
I was struck by how America itself, also driven by the intoxicant hegemony, parallels the lobby in perpetrating bad and self destructive policies. See Iraq/Afghanistan/Ukraine.
Of course brilliant and compassionate folks like Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, et. al. are of incalculable value to our only small, fragile, peaceful, irreplaceable, and precious Planet Earth.
My Gaza story begins with the story of David and Goliath the Palestinian. David was our Messiah and another graduate of Westmont High School not called Kamala wrote the story of David and called it Hallelujah.
At Westmount High you can dare imagine the dream of Bob Marley, Mohammed, Jesus, The Buddha, Confucius, Brigham Young, Moses Maimonides, Kinky Friedman, John Lennon, Daniel Dennett, Noam Chomsky, Bernie Sanders, Celine Dion of Montreal Hebrew Smokehouse aka Schwartz's , Yoko and of Leonard the "Hebrew Priest" who lights up Montreal's night sky.
The Unitarian Church is an historical ikon of English Montreal and lists Locke, Milton and Newton as its founders. Thomas Jefferson was an evolutionary botanist and follower of Newton at the College of William and Mary. In 1820 he assembled his Bible for America and called it The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth. Jefferson believed Newton who said: "We are standing on the shoulders of giants." Jefferson didn't believe in demi-gods and wasn't religious and the Federalist John Adams never accepted the legitimacy of Jefferson's Democratic-Republican administration.
It is all there in the Constitution perverted by Anton the Inquisitor Scalia.
I live less than an hour from St Johnsbury and I am 76 autistic and married to an American liberal philosopher My father was born in 1910 in a village near Krakow and arrived in Montreal in 1926 after surrendering his Green Card to a sister Montreal. In 1926 New York was the Future not the past and Vermont was as RED as it gets and everywhere Gentiles Only was posted on its inns and restaurants then along came Ben and Jerry and Bernie and Paul Newman and nobody calls Vermont Mississippi North in 2024.
When I could still drive I attended High Holiday services in St Johnsbury it looked like an American Synagogue I hoped would look but Chicago is not Vermont. Ayn Rand and Milton Friedman are Chicago Jews and even as I love Mayor Pritzker he is a real Billionaire and I voluteered on pain of deportation from my wife and American family. I volunteered with the dangerous antiAmerican Workers of the World the Wobblies. I walked my dog by the Law School where our State Senator taught unConstitutional Law. I met Barrack in front of Valois (Valoy's) I like him but was not impressed the law school students sickened my autistic stomach. I studied Lewis Carroll in Kamala's neighbourhood in Montreal and a Humpty Dumpty is a Humpty Dumpty is a Humpty Dumpty in Rome, Jerusalem, Riyahd, Cairo, New York, Tehran, New Delhi, Moscow, London, Paris or WASHINGTON DC. I use Johnson's Dictionary not that lying liar's liar Antonin the Inquisitor Scalia's interpretation of what it means by original intent and Adams was a racist and ENGLISH SUPREMACIST. Read Samuel Johnson's Taxation no Tyranny 1775 address to the North American Congress. Samuel Johnson hated the PATRIOT and scoundrel Benjamin Franklin. Edmund Burke was a liberal and was certainly not a scoundrel as defined by Dr Johnson an English racist and English Supremacist.
Nothing would be more welcome to me than the dissolution of the State of Israel. I want to make very clear that I do not mean by violence or force.
This can be accomplished by democratic means, provided that enough of the world outside of this psychotic state contributes to the effort. There are good things about Israel, and obviously many great things about the Jewish people. I don’t know of anything good about Zionism.
Boycott, divestment, sanction. Then heal.
Heal this savage gash across the soul of humanity. It won’t heal itself. The Jews, and all people, deserve better than Zionism.
I live in the Zion my father believed in and my grandfather and my great father I live in Bernie Country overlooking the Connecticut River Valley to the South and the sewer I call New York City where my father landed in 1926. My father called Vermont; Mississippi North and the lodges and inns said Gentiles Only and we weren't allowed near the stables. Vermont was poor and Hillbillies lived from Manchester to Philipsburg Quebec the Booze Capital during prohibition and Newport to Windsor, Vermont and Portland Maine.
Then along came Ben and Bernie, and Jerry and Paul Newman and Vermont is democratic and Mississippi is still Mississippi and Texas is Mississippi South and Florida is Germany in 1929. It can't happen here , yet Germany is one year older than CANADA and we have a hate monger and divider Pierre the fascist Polievre as a head of our Regressive CONservatives a Redneck like JD VANCE from Alberta's virulent hate ridden Bible Belt.
It is interesting for this Red Sea Pedestrian whose ancestors fled the Basque in 1492 to avoid Rome's Inquisition and whose ancestors built synagogues in Ukraine before the Immaculate Conception to watch the theatre in New Rome and old Russia and Aramean Jerusalem and Gaza. It was just yesterday day that our very flawed Messiah David slew the Palestinian champion Goliath. Leonard Cohen led the country band at Kamala's High School wrote the story of David and called it Hallelujah.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz5ivYGK_Ig
St Johnsbury reminds me of Mark Twain's War Prayer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_Prayer
Funny thing about the Jewish High Holidays in St Johnsbury it looks like my Father's Zion an America where like Westmount High School in Montreal where Kamala graduated from High School.
At Westmount there is only one religion, one gender and one race Homo Sapien and there Ain't No Cure for Love.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr8fdHbgAuw
I once loved Chris Hedges but he has not grown in the 30 years since John Ralston Saul a Socratic philosopher and economic historian and former head of PEN International published his Doubter's Companion: A Dictionary of Aggressive Common Sense.
Page 85 Viking Press 1994
Cynicism: An effective social mechanism for preventing communication.
I grew up near Shyamala GOPalan's Jewish General Hospital and I lived in Chicago's Woodlawn for over decade. Leonard Cohen led the country band at Westmount High School and in Woodlawn Obama lost an election because everybody knew the dice were loaded and everybody knew the Good Guys Lost.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfLOt5P6nSk
It's hard for me to believe that anything less than a crushing defeat of Israel in war, followed by a wholesale de-Zionisation of Israeli society, with war crimes trials of the present genocidal leadership, is what is required for any kind of a real solution for the troubles in that part of the world.
Although Gaza is the most urgent issue, and we cannot turn our eyes from them, there is increasing settler violence and land confiscation in the West Bank, aka illegally Occupied Territory. Here’s a group we can support, made up of committed Israelis and Palestinians working together to protect the Palestinians there.
Work on the Ground: Transforming Lives in Israel-Palestine — American Friends of Combatants for Peace
https://www.afcfp.org
What I’ve never understood is where all the money is coming from to “influence” elections and crush critics of Zionism. I didn’t know this went back so many decades and found this interview with Professor Pappe to be quite illuminating.
THANK YOU, Chris !!!
I maintain that Americans that once believed in Manifest Destiny, owning Homestead plots and enjoying the riches of the seven generation rule of Native American land management practices are complete Hypocrites to criticize Israel and their grass cutting murders.
Where are our Native Populations and what are they doing today besides meth? Support cleaning of America's land and air before levying criticism of a foreign government against literally all of their neighbors. Israel would simply not exist without US/UK support so do not be surprised if they are hostile to anyone that opposes further support.
103B in imports, 73B in exports. That money's coming from *somewhere*
Native peoples aren't yours or mine, Kimosbe, and I object to the way that you try to use the defiant survivors of that genocide as a cheap example. What are they doing today? Um, maybe you've heard of Deb Haaland, the US Sec'y of the Interior. In California, Native Americans are partners in major land restoration efforts, and are putting casino revenue to good use.
White people who homesteaded in the 1850s have been dead for 100 years. Their children are just as likely to be using meth as any Native American. This said, I more object to your manner of speech than to your point. To me what is most hypocritical is Americans who criticize Israel from inside the walls of their enclaves and complain that it's difficult to communicate with their hired help because they only speak Mexican.
I do all my own work and my own government tried to kill me for it.
There are plenty of Natives continuing to be good stewards of the land, but the worst thing they did was turn away their biggest supporters of all those pissed off veterans at Standing Rock.
Americans are fed up with American Government
There must be an immediate ceasefire in Gaza. Pope Francis has said what is needed, now he must do what is needed by going to Gaza and standing for peace, justice and freedom.
Please sign the petition and share widely.
https://chng.it/CRQ7qw4Gzn
Let us also support UNRWA. If our governments won’t act in accordance with humanity, then we will. https://www.unrwausa.org/donate
Also we can all support the brave doctors who have gone to Gaza: https://palestinian-ama.networkforgood.com/projects/206145-gaza-medical-supplies-oct-2023
Or
Surgeons to Gaza
https://fajr.org/donate/
Let us make our donations to honor Aaron Bushnell, in memory of Hind Rajab, or Dr Jumann Afra.
Here’s a petition to excommunicate Joe Biden: https://www.change.org/p/excommunicate-president-joe-biden-bf979783-ac08-4576-a53f-c786ea23dc9c
These are a few small things we can do. If we can do more, let us do more.
Kamala Harris attended Westmount High School in Montreal Quebec Canada. In Quebec City Capital City of Quebec our Prime Minister Francois Legault has decreed the Pope persona non grata until he apologizes for 1600 hundred years of tyranny and terror. At Kamala's High school there are only Homo Sapiens. There are no religions, no genders, there are no races. Imagine at Kamala's High School healthcare, education and welfare are human rights and abortion is a human right called healthcare.
Towards the end there was he worried about nuclear war, without saying the words nuclear war. ... like Samson Option?
sounded to me like it ...
Nuclear blackmail is probably something we all should be facing up to. And doing something to stop it.
Thank you once again❣️
I love and admire both your works and I’m so happy you’re still speaking out. And for now, I’m grateful I can still hear it.
I have one quick question that I’m not sure you can answer, Do either of you have thoughts on the 2024 election? I so wish we could vote for the green party instead of not voting or voting for the lesser evil. Any thoughts on this at all?
I’m feeling hopeless and helpless
Maureen
This was a truly outstanding interview that deepened my understanding of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I agree with the predictions about Israel's future. I think they are digging themselves into a hole so deep they won't be able to climb out of it.
What about Michael Hudson’s economic analysis of the strategic value of Israel first to Britain in its decline of imperialist global power and control of energy resources then to the US in handover after WW2….little to do with Judaism….?
So excellent. Zionism is bringing fascism to the US
Not an easy listen/watch but a rich, granular treatment that shows exactly how long this AIPAC/Power over structure has been influencing America. It is easy to listen to information about this awful system and think, “now I know a little more” and yet to know that we know so little.
I was struck by how America itself, also driven by the intoxicant hegemony, parallels the lobby in perpetrating bad and self destructive policies. See Iraq/Afghanistan/Ukraine.
It is a great read, long but the truth. It is really upsetting that the Israeli lobby exerts so much control over the U S.
Agreed!!
Dear Robert Reich & Christopher Hedges,
I just sent my comment to "these 'TIMES' they are-a changing" in the progressive direction:
TRUMP & NUTANYAHU are the two Ultimate Megalowmaniacs & Genocidal Sociopaths in our entire solar system.
FUCK AIPAC
Sincerely,
Alan MacDonald
28 Alewive Court
Wells Maine 04090
1-207-651-2227 or (2228)
Of course brilliant and compassionate folks like Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, et. al. are of incalculable value to our only small, fragile, peaceful, irreplaceable, and precious Planet Earth.
LOVE
OVER
VIOLENT
EMPIRE
Thank God for Norbert Wiener's --- GOD & GOLEM, Inc.
FUCK A.I.'s supposedly Artificial Intelligence!
Welcome E.I.'s real Empathy Intelligence --- and L.I.'s, LOVE INTELLIGENCE.
My Gaza story begins with the story of David and Goliath the Palestinian. David was our Messiah and another graduate of Westmont High School not called Kamala wrote the story of David and called it Hallelujah.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westmount_High_School
At Westmount High you can dare imagine the dream of Bob Marley, Mohammed, Jesus, The Buddha, Confucius, Brigham Young, Moses Maimonides, Kinky Friedman, John Lennon, Daniel Dennett, Noam Chomsky, Bernie Sanders, Celine Dion of Montreal Hebrew Smokehouse aka Schwartz's , Yoko and of Leonard the "Hebrew Priest" who lights up Montreal's night sky.
The Unitarian Church is an historical ikon of English Montreal and lists Locke, Milton and Newton as its founders. Thomas Jefferson was an evolutionary botanist and follower of Newton at the College of William and Mary. In 1820 he assembled his Bible for America and called it The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth. Jefferson believed Newton who said: "We are standing on the shoulders of giants." Jefferson didn't believe in demi-gods and wasn't religious and the Federalist John Adams never accepted the legitimacy of Jefferson's Democratic-Republican administration.
It is all there in the Constitution perverted by Anton the Inquisitor Scalia.
https://johnsonsdictionaryonline.com/views/search.php?term=religion
At Westmount there is only one religion, one race and one gender and nothing to divide the BROTHERHOOD of MAN. It is the Law in our FULL DEMOCRACY.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index
I live less than an hour from St Johnsbury and I am 76 autistic and married to an American liberal philosopher My father was born in 1910 in a village near Krakow and arrived in Montreal in 1926 after surrendering his Green Card to a sister Montreal. In 1926 New York was the Future not the past and Vermont was as RED as it gets and everywhere Gentiles Only was posted on its inns and restaurants then along came Ben and Jerry and Bernie and Paul Newman and nobody calls Vermont Mississippi North in 2024.
When I could still drive I attended High Holiday services in St Johnsbury it looked like an American Synagogue I hoped would look but Chicago is not Vermont. Ayn Rand and Milton Friedman are Chicago Jews and even as I love Mayor Pritzker he is a real Billionaire and I voluteered on pain of deportation from my wife and American family. I volunteered with the dangerous antiAmerican Workers of the World the Wobblies. I walked my dog by the Law School where our State Senator taught unConstitutional Law. I met Barrack in front of Valois (Valoy's) I like him but was not impressed the law school students sickened my autistic stomach. I studied Lewis Carroll in Kamala's neighbourhood in Montreal and a Humpty Dumpty is a Humpty Dumpty is a Humpty Dumpty in Rome, Jerusalem, Riyahd, Cairo, New York, Tehran, New Delhi, Moscow, London, Paris or WASHINGTON DC. I use Johnson's Dictionary not that lying liar's liar Antonin the Inquisitor Scalia's interpretation of what it means by original intent and Adams was a racist and ENGLISH SUPREMACIST. Read Samuel Johnson's Taxation no Tyranny 1775 address to the North American Congress. Samuel Johnson hated the PATRIOT and scoundrel Benjamin Franklin. Edmund Burke was a liberal and was certainly not a scoundrel as defined by Dr Johnson an English racist and English Supremacist.