Suppression of free speech at almost every college. Government collusion with Big Tech to suppress any facts or opinions contrary to the Establishment Narrative. Antifa rioting, burning, looting, and violence in almost every city through the Summer of Love. Antifa domestic terrorism burning Cop City in Atlanta…
Not sure what you mean by woke here. Do you just mean liberals? If so, I agree that liberals are doing terrible, terrible things. And antifa just means antifascist--from what you are saying, you are antifa too. I support all efforts to combat fascism. Down with fascism in all forms, up with anarchocommunism, the fairest, most democratic form of governance of all.
Antifa is the name of a loose collection of domestic terrorist groups that have a penchant dressing in all black gear, looting and burning businesses, police stations and government buildings (such as Minneapolis in 2020 and the recent attack on “Cop City” in Atlanta), injuring scores of police officers in the process, often in the name of “Black Lives Matter” or “Defunding the Police”.
I'm in favor of all antifascism, "Antifa" included (the right inflates to ridiculous levels the violence antifa uses, which makes me think you belong to the right). Whatever tactics are needed to fight fascism are positive. There is no compromising with it, period. It seems that for you, real fascism (a right wing phenomenon) is benign in comparison with the struggle against it by anti-fascists. It's clear where you stand.
Do you believe in looting and riots, and robbing stores and the destruction of property, even hurting people to make a point? There are many ways to combat fascism without implementing violence. I suspect if it was your property, or the welfare of your family to make their point your perspective would do an about face.
It wouldn't be me that was targeted, believe me. Tell me, should folks have been polite and law-abiding towards Hitler and Mussolini? Or any of a host of other vicious dictators like Pol Pot, Pinochet, Suharto or Marcos or their supporters? Fascism is the ultimate enemy of the people, and it must be fought tooth-and-nail any of a number of ways, some of which may include property damage, yes. Though I'm not at all a fan of physical violence, even it may be called for in certain rare circumstances (or may occur accidentally). It's called diversity of tactics. The fight against fascism is a deadly serious one. It's not for the faint-hearted.
No one could possible disagree that one should stand up to fascism. I could mention a family member way back who was a highly recognized participant in the World Federalist Movement in the US, and stood up to Fascism back home. He didn't engage in violence, since engaging in it would only replicate what you're fighting against. Antifa has engaged in violence and I cannot condone that. When Antifa mixed in with the BLM marches in New York, did you approve their violence, approve their attacking people, vandalizing stores? Who do you think is going to pick up the tab for their destruction?
A purely nonviolent approach to fascism is almost certainly doomed to failure. Again, what would you do in the face of fascism if you were its target? Would you merely turn the other cheek? Just be passive and hope to survive? Or would you fight back with all your might? I hope the latter! Was it good that the Jews just got on the trains to the ovens because fighting back physically would have been impolite? To me property damage concerns should not even be in the discussion when human rights and human life is at stake. If you're concerned about property damage, bill the government that made it necessary. As John Kennedy said "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable".
My problem with your response in dealing with fascism has nothing to do with Hitler, or Mussolini, and many did fight back. WWII. Many people in the countries affected. like Poland, fought back and took on great loses of life. You want to justify the actions of Antifa, so be it.. You have not been specific in defining incidents which you would define as fascistic, and justify the violence you are advocating. .
Violence against women; invasion of women's bodies via banning of abortion; book banning; police killings of black people in cold blood with virtual impunity; millions of deaths caused by invasions and sanctions; the torture of thousands in American prisons; the crime of killing via homelessness and lack of medical, mental health and drug treatment care; wage theft causing impoverishment and suicides; etc, etc, etc. My hand is getting tired. Is that enough for you?
Let's see if you would adopt that attitude if it was your dad, or your store, and it was vandalized. It's windows broken, it's door smashed in, it's merchandise stolen and your dad, or you were just about making it and your insurance didn't cover all the damage, all the needless destruction, so you just lost your livelihood that provided the means of taking care of your family. Violence comes in many forms, and perhaps your negation of this type of violence is a reflection on your lack of character, and not mine.
I agree with Jon. The idea that you can't damage property in the fight against fascism, enemy of the people and the most dangerous force in the world, is frankly ludicrous. Anyway, most property damage in protests is directed against violent police or violent capitalists. So it's fine by me. More than fine in fact.
I absolutely agree and if you notice those willing to back them up come across as a bunch of fascist themselves, and simply discredit your claims without ever questioning their own, or adopt a patronizing tone. Don't listen.
Bob, I cant speak for Kurt but suugest the choice of words accurately describes, #1, the silencing of opposition opinion and #2, the use of physical intimidation/vandalism. A simple enough parallelism.
Woke fascists? Antifa shock troops? Please explain.
Suppression of free speech at almost every college. Government collusion with Big Tech to suppress any facts or opinions contrary to the Establishment Narrative. Antifa rioting, burning, looting, and violence in almost every city through the Summer of Love. Antifa domestic terrorism burning Cop City in Atlanta…
Kurt, you've been a victim of some serious propaganda and lies.
Not sure what you mean by woke here. Do you just mean liberals? If so, I agree that liberals are doing terrible, terrible things. And antifa just means antifascist--from what you are saying, you are antifa too. I support all efforts to combat fascism. Down with fascism in all forms, up with anarchocommunism, the fairest, most democratic form of governance of all.
Antifa is the name of a loose collection of domestic terrorist groups that have a penchant dressing in all black gear, looting and burning businesses, police stations and government buildings (such as Minneapolis in 2020 and the recent attack on “Cop City” in Atlanta), injuring scores of police officers in the process, often in the name of “Black Lives Matter” or “Defunding the Police”.
I'm in favor of all antifascism, "Antifa" included (the right inflates to ridiculous levels the violence antifa uses, which makes me think you belong to the right). Whatever tactics are needed to fight fascism are positive. There is no compromising with it, period. It seems that for you, real fascism (a right wing phenomenon) is benign in comparison with the struggle against it by anti-fascists. It's clear where you stand.
Do you believe in looting and riots, and robbing stores and the destruction of property, even hurting people to make a point? There are many ways to combat fascism without implementing violence. I suspect if it was your property, or the welfare of your family to make their point your perspective would do an about face.
It wouldn't be me that was targeted, believe me. Tell me, should folks have been polite and law-abiding towards Hitler and Mussolini? Or any of a host of other vicious dictators like Pol Pot, Pinochet, Suharto or Marcos or their supporters? Fascism is the ultimate enemy of the people, and it must be fought tooth-and-nail any of a number of ways, some of which may include property damage, yes. Though I'm not at all a fan of physical violence, even it may be called for in certain rare circumstances (or may occur accidentally). It's called diversity of tactics. The fight against fascism is a deadly serious one. It's not for the faint-hearted.
No one could possible disagree that one should stand up to fascism. I could mention a family member way back who was a highly recognized participant in the World Federalist Movement in the US, and stood up to Fascism back home. He didn't engage in violence, since engaging in it would only replicate what you're fighting against. Antifa has engaged in violence and I cannot condone that. When Antifa mixed in with the BLM marches in New York, did you approve their violence, approve their attacking people, vandalizing stores? Who do you think is going to pick up the tab for their destruction?
A purely nonviolent approach to fascism is almost certainly doomed to failure. Again, what would you do in the face of fascism if you were its target? Would you merely turn the other cheek? Just be passive and hope to survive? Or would you fight back with all your might? I hope the latter! Was it good that the Jews just got on the trains to the ovens because fighting back physically would have been impolite? To me property damage concerns should not even be in the discussion when human rights and human life is at stake. If you're concerned about property damage, bill the government that made it necessary. As John Kennedy said "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable".
My problem with your response in dealing with fascism has nothing to do with Hitler, or Mussolini, and many did fight back. WWII. Many people in the countries affected. like Poland, fought back and took on great loses of life. You want to justify the actions of Antifa, so be it.. You have not been specific in defining incidents which you would define as fascistic, and justify the violence you are advocating. .
Violence against women; invasion of women's bodies via banning of abortion; book banning; police killings of black people in cold blood with virtual impunity; millions of deaths caused by invasions and sanctions; the torture of thousands in American prisons; the crime of killing via homelessness and lack of medical, mental health and drug treatment care; wage theft causing impoverishment and suicides; etc, etc, etc. My hand is getting tired. Is that enough for you?
Let's see if you would adopt that attitude if it was your dad, or your store, and it was vandalized. It's windows broken, it's door smashed in, it's merchandise stolen and your dad, or you were just about making it and your insurance didn't cover all the damage, all the needless destruction, so you just lost your livelihood that provided the means of taking care of your family. Violence comes in many forms, and perhaps your negation of this type of violence is a reflection on your lack of character, and not mine.
I agree with Jon. The idea that you can't damage property in the fight against fascism, enemy of the people and the most dangerous force in the world, is frankly ludicrous. Anyway, most property damage in protests is directed against violent police or violent capitalists. So it's fine by me. More than fine in fact.
I absolutely agree and if you notice those willing to back them up come across as a bunch of fascist themselves, and simply discredit your claims without ever questioning their own, or adopt a patronizing tone. Don't listen.
See the Twitter Files. That should explain it.
Bob, I cant speak for Kurt but suugest the choice of words accurately describes, #1, the silencing of opposition opinion and #2, the use of physical intimidation/vandalism. A simple enough parallelism.