It has become quite rare to hear any meaningful accountability for Israel’s actions from Israeli citizens themselves. Israeli journalist Gideon Levy is an anomaly in Israel by today’s standards, as for his entire career he has challenged the apartheid and occupation of the Israeli state. On today’s episode of The Chris Hedges Report, Levy joins host Christ Hedges to discuss his book, The Killing of Gaza: Reports on a Catastrophe, and explain the spiritual destruction, both of Israel and Palestine, that the current genocide in Gaza is causing as well as the implications of new military operations in Lebanon.
I feel both blessed and cursed to have experienced these realities firsthand in 1967, in Jerusalem. I was very young and was there with my very young friend, who was mixed race, and naive, and who had never experienced racism on anything like this level. Together we travelled around and spoke with the European Jews who pretended to be just and fair as they occupied and oppressed people they referred to as “snakes”, and “Pishpisheem”, (Cockroaches).
When questioned about the death of children we were told: “Well, those Arabs have too many children as it is.”
There are no words for the revulsion we felt, and that I feel to this day.
I will share this interview and continue to try to share my idea of justice, but I believe more each day that Israel must be dissolved. The vast majority believes that last week’s terror attack in Lebanon was a great success. How can Gideon Levy, Ilan Pappé and Miko Peled be products of the same culture as them? There is no cure for this kind of evil. Maybe to dilute it and spread these wretched people around the world will be a solution.
Yes, a straight line projection of current trends suggests that the Palestinians will become very much like the First People of North America. The broken survivors will live in poverty and obscurity, and the dominant society will accept it as manifest destiny and God’s will 😱
Fantastic interview, thank you Gideon Levy and Chris. It's extremely depressing but it feels like this is the truth of the matter: Israel has lost its humanity, moving from an apartheid state to genocide. I see a variant of the same mentality in the Christian nationalists and the identitarian left in the USA.
This is a disturbing interview. He continues to live in Israel. How can he do that with all that he says and knows? How could one not become anti - **** after what he says about the Israeli people, who would be just as happy to kill all the Palestinians and take over the whole of Gaza, the West Bank and beyond. What a horrible thing to hear. Horrible.
The situation and events described in CH’s interview with Gideon Levy inevitably produce a turbulent mixture of primitive emotions that are difficult to deal with: impotent rage, hatred, desire for revenge, moral self-righteousness, and despair, among others. Such reactions are natural, and they are reflected in the comments on the interview. But they are only a necessary beginning and prelude to understanding. They do not provide a basis for directly progressing to understanding.
The great majority of the people in the US are aware of only a tiny part of the situation and events described in this interview. Full and realistic accounts can be found only in alternative media, which few read. Nevertheless, according to the citations I have read of polls, the vast majority of Democrats, and a majority of Republicans, want an immediate and permanent ceasefire. Americans’ strong opposition to Israel’s genocide already began in 2023 and has steadily increased. It is true that Americans understand only a little of the political situation in Israel-Palestine, and understand the history of the situation hardly at all. But mass-murder live-streamed daily is impossible to mistake. Neither the rest of the world nor the American people are blind to what is going on. Outside the Natosphere, the world understands perfectly well what Israel is doing, and the American people understand that their government and the mainstream media are, as usual, lying to them.
Thus, as tremendously impressive as Gideon Levy is in this interview and in his life work, I believe that he is mistaken to think the world is indifferent to the suffering of the Palestinians. Of course, it must feel in Israel and Palestine as if the world does not care, because it has never put an end to it, even though it has now reached cataclysmic proportions. Of course, Israel is exultantly boasting to the world about its Nazi-style actions (actions the Nazis themselves discussed only in private), while committing these actions with impunity. But the reason the non-Natosphere does not help the Palestinians is not that it does not care about the corpses and living zombies and rubble it sees in the news every day. Many nations and officials around the world have publicly and forcefully denounced the genocide. The ICC and ICJ have taken tentative official steps to address Israel’s crimes. In Ireland during the past year it has become common to refer to Biden, its previously feted native son, as “Genocide Joe.” The reason the non-Natosphere does stop the genocide is that it is controlled by America’s myriad imperialistic powers. If even China is having a hard time dealing with America’s economic, geopolitical, and military aggression against it, how is anyone else in the world going to effectively resist America’s proxy-genocide against the Palestinians? Thinking that the world does not care about the Palestinians is what the tyrants in Tel Aviv and Washington want people to think. Tyrants need for us to believe they are omnipotent and invulnerable. But in fact they are always psychologically insecure because they know better than anyone else how fragile their power really is.
As for the American people, one reason they do not take effective measures against the genocide is that they already understand that their government and the MSM are gaslighting them about everything that is important in their lives, from the climate catastrophe through health care to infrastructure. The American people already understand that the government and MSM are gaslighting them in the service of the exploitation of the many by the few. They already understand that America is now organized in a way that makes the life of perhaps eighty percent of the population precarious, barely tolerable, or nearly impossible, and makes nearly all the other twenty percent extremely insecure in their privilege. Americans are not passive against their tyrannical government; they are indeed fighting against these domestic evils. Trump supporters themselves (who are not stupid, as many others like to think they are) are fundamentally motivated by the evils inflicted on them by a government that works for what Bernie Sanders calls “the billionaire class.” If Americans cannot stop their own government from brutalizing them, how are they going to prevent it from brutalizing Palestinians?
But foreign and military policy also exists in a realm of its own. Foreign policy is based on war, and waging war is inherently autocratic, and therefore beyond the control of the people. On a practical level, the fascist US imperial national-security complex has been, since WWII, more powerful than any other government in the world, not excluding the US government. It has also succeeded in thoroughly infecting the American psyche with militarism. Thus Jimmy Carter said that the US is “the most warlike nation in the history of the world.” (See https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/04/18/jimmy-carter-us-most-warlike-nation-history-world for a discussion of Carter’s remarks and a history of US fascist military-foreign policy). But Americans are in a state of total denial about their own militarism. They sincerely believe they are a peace-loving people, who are regrettably compelled by the evil of other people to devote half their federal government’s discretionary budget to inventing, producing, and deploying the most powerful machinery of death and destruction possible. Behind the Dr. Jekyll Americans see in their mirror, they are blind to their own alter ego standing behind him, Mr. Hyde, and to his fangs dripping with blood. Virtually all Americans—Democrats, Independents, and Republicans alike—are a state of total denial of the virulent militarism of their own psyche.
Furthermore, Americans are not a peace-loving people who suddenly and inexplicably became militaristic when Truman created the imperial national-security state. The US has almost exactly the same history as Israel. It was engendered by the British Empire as a settler-colonial power, and proceeded to commit ongoing genocide, ethnic cleansing, pogroms, land-theft, torture, child-abuse, confinement to concentration camps, and so forth against the barbaric, subhuman native residents of the land, justified by its own cultural superiority and divinely-ordained destiny.
At the end of WWI the British Empire used Zionists as its cat’s paw to maintain its power in the Middle East, while reducing Palestinians to non-persons. The British Empire was succeeded by the American empire after WWII, and in the course of the next quarter-century America adopted the Israel the Zionists had created for the British Empire. To create Israel, the Zionists took advantage of the ongoing history of imperial domination. They exploited the psychological devastation inflicted on Jews by the Nazis to induce Israeli Jews to “internalize the aggressor” (to use Anna Freud’s term for the phenomenon), that is, to protect themselves from what they had suffered at the hands of the Nazis by becoming like Nazis themselves. They also took advantage of modern propaganda techniques to produce the incredibly successful Machiavellian rhetoric of the American Israel lobby. The Zionists thus produced another turn in history’s endless cycle of violence. But they are acting as a client-state of the American empire.
This cycle isn’t merely a cycle; it is a downward spiral. Until October 7, 2023, we all thought that practicing genocide was a fundamental distinction between a civilized nation and a barbaric one. That distinction has now vanished. Nevertheless, it has really vanished only the minds and practices of the tyrants who are in power at the present time. Tyrants want us to believe we are helpless. We become helpless only if we believe we are helpless. We become helpless only if we join in the debased mentality engendered by mankind’s infinitely cruel cycle of violence.
Thus it is a great error to mistake the whirlwind of emotions produced by this interview, as reflected in the comments on it, as anything more than the confused beginning of a progress towards genuine understanding. If we treat our responses as anything more than a reflexive confusion of primitive emotions, then we will be governed by those primitive emotions. That is what the tyrants of the world want us to do, because if we do, we will descend into the same mass psychosis that Israeli Jews are suffering from.
We really do not really want to hate Israelis, as hateful as their behavior is. They are in the profoundest depths of mass psychosis. One of the characteristics of psychosis is that it makes one incapable of even experiencing reality, let alone understanding it, and thus incapable of learning from experience. We do not want to join the Israelis in their mass psychosis, by embracing the primitive emotions their psychotic, sociopathic behavior produces in us. Rather, we want to enable Israelis to find their way out of their psychosis. We want to enable Palestinians to avoid joining Israelis in their mass psychosis. We want to enable the people of Gaza to recover from the mental degradation that their treatment must inevitably produce in them, as Gideon Levy observes. We do not really want to confuse legitimate violent revolt against tyranny, which is authorized by international law (and which the US itself was founded on in 1776) with terrorism. And above all, we do not want to succumb to despair, which is spiritual suicide. We all must die in the flesh. We do not need to die in the spirit as well.
oct 7th oct 7th oct 7 th. terrorism , terrorism, terrorism. there were no babies beheaded , baked or raped. at least half of the people killed on oct 7th were the result of the "hannibal directive" . the mass systematic rape never happened. hamas is NOT a terror organization. it is a RESISTANCE organization. were i a palestinian i would view every israeli as a terrorist and enemy combatant. at least at the very end hedges corrected the record of how many have been killed. months ago the lancet estimated close to 200,000. israel was, is and will always be a very bad idea. it was foisted on the world by the international banking cartel. proof? the balfour declaration was addressed to lord rothschild. the faminly takes credit for israel's creation. and now they own the u.s. government. trackaipac.com
Thank you, Mo, for the link. One of my senators is up for reelection and I will make him pay for being bribed to his neck no voting for him anymore and I will write him to let him know that we all are aware that he is sold out to Israel and for how much. I wish to know the current level of AIPAC contributions to our main presidential candidates because I'm tired of having for years a Commander in Chief for Israel and not for our America. I think both Trump and Harris should do better by moving their presidential campaign to be elected in the Israeli government.
THANK YOU once again, to both of you, chris hedges and gideon levy, for your courage, your sane and sober, realistic analyses of historic and current events on the ground, and for your continuous appeals for justice, equality, humanity, peaceful co-existence. how, and why on earth, did we let the warmongers of this planet get so far ahead of us, all the way to the brink of extinction - given the fact that the nuclear option is part of the west's cruel "rules-based order!" again?
should we survive, the big question remains: is manKIND capable of human kindness at all? or are we doomed to fight until the last [old white cis-]man standing?
gideon levy pointed out: israel has lost a number of wars, keeps engaging in new ones, anyway. and against perceived enemies that are even stronger than the ones it lost to before. quite similarly, the US lost in vietnam, iraq, afghanistan - and now takes on russia and china. hubris anybody?
i'm ashamed to say that my EU country supports both the US and israel in their wars - INSTEAD of accepting that hatred and division won't solve any problems but soon breed huge new ones ...
THANK YOU once again, to both of you, chris hedges and gideon levy [and to all those excellent journalists and authors who share your views and find public space to express them, by the way] for assuring me that i'm not the only one to know: persistent arrogance and [military] might do not make right.
I am grateful for the courage of Gideon Levy and Amira Hass. I appreciated this interview as offering important and also dire understanding of the cycles of violence committed by Israel (with U.S. support). A few things: This group was not mentioned during the interview, so I just want to say Standing Together is doing important work in Israel-- younger people-- Israeli Arabs and Jews of Israel who recognize "no one is going anywhere"-- and it is going to be either "all of us or none of us." I support their courageous work for humanity through recognition of mutual interest. They are the minority, but I will always support them. They are one sign of sanity in Israel. Also, Indigenous people in North America, despite the genocidal devastation they suffered at the hands of white European settlers, continue to grow in strength -- and are present artistically, politically, and culturally-- despite the horrors of the U.S.'s continued systems of white supremacy. These are people who saw and suffered the end of the world and lived to tell their truths. I recommend the work of former U.S. Poet Laureate Joy Harjo as evidence of spiritual survival. I pray for this survival for the Palestinians. My heart is with the Palestinian people.
All of a sudden after 0ct. 7th,2023, both President Biden and V.P. Harris called for a two state solution. Reminds of of when I was a teenager many moons ago, we tardy loan payers became on time loan payers after the ''wise guy'' from the old neighborhood warned us in his deep gravel voice, ''when words is no good, you gotta use violence''. Translation: No Oct. 7th terror attack, no talk of a ''two state solution''.
At this point I don’t believe Israelis will ever have a day of peace, eventually the Israelis that want peace will need to find it in another location.
Netanyahu and his cohorts are not about peace.
They have stated a regional war that will end when Iran get involved, thus Russia and China too. Iran was talking about testing nuclear weapons and with Putin saying they where going to test weapons thus I believe Iran will use Russia’s testing grounds.
On the other hand the Saudis said if Iran gets nukes they also want such weapons too and have given till sometime in October to be given such weapons from the US in exchange for normalization for Israelis.
None of this is a working paradigm. Col. Douglas McGregor Has state that the King of Jordan and Egypt’s Cici will be overthrown if they fail to support a growing hatred of US colonialism.
It may take a few years but Israelis will never find a moments peace nor profit, henceforth you find effectively that Israelis will either move or be used as Netanyahu’ proud US hegemony style cannon fodder. It’s becoming a graveyard just like Ukraine.
Israel is what happens when you give any group of humans unlimited rights and zero obligations to anyone.
I feel both blessed and cursed to have experienced these realities firsthand in 1967, in Jerusalem. I was very young and was there with my very young friend, who was mixed race, and naive, and who had never experienced racism on anything like this level. Together we travelled around and spoke with the European Jews who pretended to be just and fair as they occupied and oppressed people they referred to as “snakes”, and “Pishpisheem”, (Cockroaches).
When questioned about the death of children we were told: “Well, those Arabs have too many children as it is.”
There are no words for the revulsion we felt, and that I feel to this day.
I will share this interview and continue to try to share my idea of justice, but I believe more each day that Israel must be dissolved. The vast majority believes that last week’s terror attack in Lebanon was a great success. How can Gideon Levy, Ilan Pappé and Miko Peled be products of the same culture as them? There is no cure for this kind of evil. Maybe to dilute it and spread these wretched people around the world will be a solution.
A large part of UN walked out on Netanyahu and his speech.
Yes, a straight line projection of current trends suggests that the Palestinians will become very much like the First People of North America. The broken survivors will live in poverty and obscurity, and the dominant society will accept it as manifest destiny and God’s will 😱
Fantastic interview, thank you Gideon Levy and Chris. It's extremely depressing but it feels like this is the truth of the matter: Israel has lost its humanity, moving from an apartheid state to genocide. I see a variant of the same mentality in the Christian nationalists and the identitarian left in the USA.
This is a disturbing interview. He continues to live in Israel. How can he do that with all that he says and knows? How could one not become anti - **** after what he says about the Israeli people, who would be just as happy to kill all the Palestinians and take over the whole of Gaza, the West Bank and beyond. What a horrible thing to hear. Horrible.
Gideon AND Hedges!
Two of my absolute heroes in the absolute madness we have collectively plunged into.
Telling us the truth over and over again.
Thanks for staying the course and being the best of us.
The situation and events described in CH’s interview with Gideon Levy inevitably produce a turbulent mixture of primitive emotions that are difficult to deal with: impotent rage, hatred, desire for revenge, moral self-righteousness, and despair, among others. Such reactions are natural, and they are reflected in the comments on the interview. But they are only a necessary beginning and prelude to understanding. They do not provide a basis for directly progressing to understanding.
The great majority of the people in the US are aware of only a tiny part of the situation and events described in this interview. Full and realistic accounts can be found only in alternative media, which few read. Nevertheless, according to the citations I have read of polls, the vast majority of Democrats, and a majority of Republicans, want an immediate and permanent ceasefire. Americans’ strong opposition to Israel’s genocide already began in 2023 and has steadily increased. It is true that Americans understand only a little of the political situation in Israel-Palestine, and understand the history of the situation hardly at all. But mass-murder live-streamed daily is impossible to mistake. Neither the rest of the world nor the American people are blind to what is going on. Outside the Natosphere, the world understands perfectly well what Israel is doing, and the American people understand that their government and the mainstream media are, as usual, lying to them.
Thus, as tremendously impressive as Gideon Levy is in this interview and in his life work, I believe that he is mistaken to think the world is indifferent to the suffering of the Palestinians. Of course, it must feel in Israel and Palestine as if the world does not care, because it has never put an end to it, even though it has now reached cataclysmic proportions. Of course, Israel is exultantly boasting to the world about its Nazi-style actions (actions the Nazis themselves discussed only in private), while committing these actions with impunity. But the reason the non-Natosphere does not help the Palestinians is not that it does not care about the corpses and living zombies and rubble it sees in the news every day. Many nations and officials around the world have publicly and forcefully denounced the genocide. The ICC and ICJ have taken tentative official steps to address Israel’s crimes. In Ireland during the past year it has become common to refer to Biden, its previously feted native son, as “Genocide Joe.” The reason the non-Natosphere does stop the genocide is that it is controlled by America’s myriad imperialistic powers. If even China is having a hard time dealing with America’s economic, geopolitical, and military aggression against it, how is anyone else in the world going to effectively resist America’s proxy-genocide against the Palestinians? Thinking that the world does not care about the Palestinians is what the tyrants in Tel Aviv and Washington want people to think. Tyrants need for us to believe they are omnipotent and invulnerable. But in fact they are always psychologically insecure because they know better than anyone else how fragile their power really is.
As for the American people, one reason they do not take effective measures against the genocide is that they already understand that their government and the MSM are gaslighting them about everything that is important in their lives, from the climate catastrophe through health care to infrastructure. The American people already understand that the government and MSM are gaslighting them in the service of the exploitation of the many by the few. They already understand that America is now organized in a way that makes the life of perhaps eighty percent of the population precarious, barely tolerable, or nearly impossible, and makes nearly all the other twenty percent extremely insecure in their privilege. Americans are not passive against their tyrannical government; they are indeed fighting against these domestic evils. Trump supporters themselves (who are not stupid, as many others like to think they are) are fundamentally motivated by the evils inflicted on them by a government that works for what Bernie Sanders calls “the billionaire class.” If Americans cannot stop their own government from brutalizing them, how are they going to prevent it from brutalizing Palestinians?
But foreign and military policy also exists in a realm of its own. Foreign policy is based on war, and waging war is inherently autocratic, and therefore beyond the control of the people. On a practical level, the fascist US imperial national-security complex has been, since WWII, more powerful than any other government in the world, not excluding the US government. It has also succeeded in thoroughly infecting the American psyche with militarism. Thus Jimmy Carter said that the US is “the most warlike nation in the history of the world.” (See https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/04/18/jimmy-carter-us-most-warlike-nation-history-world for a discussion of Carter’s remarks and a history of US fascist military-foreign policy). But Americans are in a state of total denial about their own militarism. They sincerely believe they are a peace-loving people, who are regrettably compelled by the evil of other people to devote half their federal government’s discretionary budget to inventing, producing, and deploying the most powerful machinery of death and destruction possible. Behind the Dr. Jekyll Americans see in their mirror, they are blind to their own alter ego standing behind him, Mr. Hyde, and to his fangs dripping with blood. Virtually all Americans—Democrats, Independents, and Republicans alike—are a state of total denial of the virulent militarism of their own psyche.
Furthermore, Americans are not a peace-loving people who suddenly and inexplicably became militaristic when Truman created the imperial national-security state. The US has almost exactly the same history as Israel. It was engendered by the British Empire as a settler-colonial power, and proceeded to commit ongoing genocide, ethnic cleansing, pogroms, land-theft, torture, child-abuse, confinement to concentration camps, and so forth against the barbaric, subhuman native residents of the land, justified by its own cultural superiority and divinely-ordained destiny.
At the end of WWI the British Empire used Zionists as its cat’s paw to maintain its power in the Middle East, while reducing Palestinians to non-persons. The British Empire was succeeded by the American empire after WWII, and in the course of the next quarter-century America adopted the Israel the Zionists had created for the British Empire. To create Israel, the Zionists took advantage of the ongoing history of imperial domination. They exploited the psychological devastation inflicted on Jews by the Nazis to induce Israeli Jews to “internalize the aggressor” (to use Anna Freud’s term for the phenomenon), that is, to protect themselves from what they had suffered at the hands of the Nazis by becoming like Nazis themselves. They also took advantage of modern propaganda techniques to produce the incredibly successful Machiavellian rhetoric of the American Israel lobby. The Zionists thus produced another turn in history’s endless cycle of violence. But they are acting as a client-state of the American empire.
This cycle isn’t merely a cycle; it is a downward spiral. Until October 7, 2023, we all thought that practicing genocide was a fundamental distinction between a civilized nation and a barbaric one. That distinction has now vanished. Nevertheless, it has really vanished only the minds and practices of the tyrants who are in power at the present time. Tyrants want us to believe we are helpless. We become helpless only if we believe we are helpless. We become helpless only if we join in the debased mentality engendered by mankind’s infinitely cruel cycle of violence.
Thus it is a great error to mistake the whirlwind of emotions produced by this interview, as reflected in the comments on it, as anything more than the confused beginning of a progress towards genuine understanding. If we treat our responses as anything more than a reflexive confusion of primitive emotions, then we will be governed by those primitive emotions. That is what the tyrants of the world want us to do, because if we do, we will descend into the same mass psychosis that Israeli Jews are suffering from.
We really do not really want to hate Israelis, as hateful as their behavior is. They are in the profoundest depths of mass psychosis. One of the characteristics of psychosis is that it makes one incapable of even experiencing reality, let alone understanding it, and thus incapable of learning from experience. We do not want to join the Israelis in their mass psychosis, by embracing the primitive emotions their psychotic, sociopathic behavior produces in us. Rather, we want to enable Israelis to find their way out of their psychosis. We want to enable Palestinians to avoid joining Israelis in their mass psychosis. We want to enable the people of Gaza to recover from the mental degradation that their treatment must inevitably produce in them, as Gideon Levy observes. We do not really want to confuse legitimate violent revolt against tyranny, which is authorized by international law (and which the US itself was founded on in 1776) with terrorism. And above all, we do not want to succumb to despair, which is spiritual suicide. We all must die in the flesh. We do not need to die in the spirit as well.
Outrage when you shoot fish in a barrel and they fight back is grotesque.
Brilliant interview! Have shared it widely. So much respect for Gideon telling the truth from inside Israel. Stay safe please
oct 7th oct 7th oct 7 th. terrorism , terrorism, terrorism. there were no babies beheaded , baked or raped. at least half of the people killed on oct 7th were the result of the "hannibal directive" . the mass systematic rape never happened. hamas is NOT a terror organization. it is a RESISTANCE organization. were i a palestinian i would view every israeli as a terrorist and enemy combatant. at least at the very end hedges corrected the record of how many have been killed. months ago the lancet estimated close to 200,000. israel was, is and will always be a very bad idea. it was foisted on the world by the international banking cartel. proof? the balfour declaration was addressed to lord rothschild. the faminly takes credit for israel's creation. and now they own the u.s. government. trackaipac.com
Thank you, Mo, for the link. One of my senators is up for reelection and I will make him pay for being bribed to his neck no voting for him anymore and I will write him to let him know that we all are aware that he is sold out to Israel and for how much. I wish to know the current level of AIPAC contributions to our main presidential candidates because I'm tired of having for years a Commander in Chief for Israel and not for our America. I think both Trump and Harris should do better by moving their presidential campaign to be elected in the Israeli government.
THANK YOU once again, to both of you, chris hedges and gideon levy, for your courage, your sane and sober, realistic analyses of historic and current events on the ground, and for your continuous appeals for justice, equality, humanity, peaceful co-existence. how, and why on earth, did we let the warmongers of this planet get so far ahead of us, all the way to the brink of extinction - given the fact that the nuclear option is part of the west's cruel "rules-based order!" again?
should we survive, the big question remains: is manKIND capable of human kindness at all? or are we doomed to fight until the last [old white cis-]man standing?
gideon levy pointed out: israel has lost a number of wars, keeps engaging in new ones, anyway. and against perceived enemies that are even stronger than the ones it lost to before. quite similarly, the US lost in vietnam, iraq, afghanistan - and now takes on russia and china. hubris anybody?
i'm ashamed to say that my EU country supports both the US and israel in their wars - INSTEAD of accepting that hatred and division won't solve any problems but soon breed huge new ones ...
THANK YOU once again, to both of you, chris hedges and gideon levy [and to all those excellent journalists and authors who share your views and find public space to express them, by the way] for assuring me that i'm not the only one to know: persistent arrogance and [military] might do not make right.
I am grateful for the courage of Gideon Levy and Amira Hass. I appreciated this interview as offering important and also dire understanding of the cycles of violence committed by Israel (with U.S. support). A few things: This group was not mentioned during the interview, so I just want to say Standing Together is doing important work in Israel-- younger people-- Israeli Arabs and Jews of Israel who recognize "no one is going anywhere"-- and it is going to be either "all of us or none of us." I support their courageous work for humanity through recognition of mutual interest. They are the minority, but I will always support them. They are one sign of sanity in Israel. Also, Indigenous people in North America, despite the genocidal devastation they suffered at the hands of white European settlers, continue to grow in strength -- and are present artistically, politically, and culturally-- despite the horrors of the U.S.'s continued systems of white supremacy. These are people who saw and suffered the end of the world and lived to tell their truths. I recommend the work of former U.S. Poet Laureate Joy Harjo as evidence of spiritual survival. I pray for this survival for the Palestinians. My heart is with the Palestinian people.
All of a sudden after 0ct. 7th,2023, both President Biden and V.P. Harris called for a two state solution. Reminds of of when I was a teenager many moons ago, we tardy loan payers became on time loan payers after the ''wise guy'' from the old neighborhood warned us in his deep gravel voice, ''when words is no good, you gotta use violence''. Translation: No Oct. 7th terror attack, no talk of a ''two state solution''.
there is a saying in my country: "s/he who will not hear must feel."
At this point I don’t believe Israelis will ever have a day of peace, eventually the Israelis that want peace will need to find it in another location.
Netanyahu and his cohorts are not about peace.
They have stated a regional war that will end when Iran get involved, thus Russia and China too. Iran was talking about testing nuclear weapons and with Putin saying they where going to test weapons thus I believe Iran will use Russia’s testing grounds.
On the other hand the Saudis said if Iran gets nukes they also want such weapons too and have given till sometime in October to be given such weapons from the US in exchange for normalization for Israelis.
None of this is a working paradigm. Col. Douglas McGregor Has state that the King of Jordan and Egypt’s Cici will be overthrown if they fail to support a growing hatred of US colonialism.
It may take a few years but Israelis will never find a moments peace nor profit, henceforth you find effectively that Israelis will either move or be used as Netanyahu’ proud US hegemony style cannon fodder. It’s becoming a graveyard just like Ukraine.
Unbelievably sad - even the vengeful God of the Old Testament couldn’t have dreamed this up.