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It is clear that the Democratic Party bosses do not begin to appreciate how many Americans are appalled by the financial and political support given to the Zionists in Israel. It is not only those of Arab descent you will not be voting for Biden in 2024 but many Americans of conscience who cannot pretend that they are voting for the lesser of two evils.

As Gore Vidal observed "It makes no difference who you vote for - the two parties are really one party representing four percent of the people."

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So, the disenchanted Democrats will vote for Trump, who told Israel he is their best friend? They will vote for some other Republican, if Trump isn’t the Republican candidate? They will vote for the Independent candidate Kennedy? They will vote for Bernie Sanders? Or some other Democrat, other than Biden? Is there a candidate on either side, who promoted cutting Israel loose and letting it fend for itself?

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Except the Repubs are going off the deep end into dictatorship. We are truly stuck between a rock & a hard place.

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Might be. Some who were Biden supporters will just not vote because they are pissed at him for his support for Israel's genocide.

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Thank you, Chris, for yet another poignant and accurate portrayal of this horrific situation.

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Like complaining that Nat Turner killed the kindly slaveowners who took him in, fed him, put a roof over his head and gave him a job.

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Israel is CAUSING antisemitism. Do these people crave victimhood?? ... Always getting blamed, hated, kicked out, killed, etc......... It's a question I have had in my mind for decades.

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How do you know that? Have you read/studied the Torah? If you can. relate how it invented antisemitism? Seriously, I really have had this question is my mind for decades.

Why do they continuously get in trouble, be hated, etc.? I read a book long ago that went through their history back to 1200. Different situations in different countries. But, I thought there must be somethings in their philosophy that comes from teachings, like the Torah, that puts them is these bad situations.

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making a note of these 2 sources....currently reading The Last Million and Gaza by Finkelstein. Isn't this the 1st time the Jews got an opportunity to carry out a genocide...I mean since 1948. Before that: pretty impossible given their usual occupations: some had to do with cheating people....which I know from personal experience doing business in NYC.

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Copied this for future contemplation....Thanks.

BTW: I'll bet you weren't in the real estate or investment business in NYC.

I was. I won't go into detail; there are a good dozen examples.

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I LOVE Christopher Hitchens! I know about that book and will have to get it. Thank you for the other referrals...I WISH I read like I used to (a lot!) but now I get my mental "fixes" too much with the computer and youtube.

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Another great essay by Dr. Hedges and another great illustration by Mr. Fish!

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There will no doubt be another 9/11

I still have some things that I don't think our gov was honest about on 9/11. we already are thought as murderous butchers for our "war on terror" then we back and fund this atrocity. There will be more attacks. It's been awhile, now we are just begging for them. Having a gov loyal to the military industrial complex far before it's citizens, brings nothing good

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The role of the US is deeply troubling as well as frustrating. American foreign policy does not respond to the public will. Remember the anti-war protests in 2003? No effect, though those protests were massive and global. Here's one very important idea in this piece, one lost in the deliberate noise created by the Israel lobby and our political leaders: "This is not to excuse it. To understand is not to condone. But we must understand if this cycle of violence is to be stopped."

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Thank you for contributing a meaningful response to this post.

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Possibly the Only Real Solution for Israel/Hamas Is Radically Idealistic

The situation in Israel with Hamas is a wakeup call. Everything needs to be changed and rectified. It is based on a lie.:That Israel is the homeland for Jews, Zionism. Israel is not the homeland for Jews.

Planet Earth is the homeland for Jews and all humans. Is N. America the homeland for all native americans? The young Zionists came to Israel to escape Nazi persecution. The land was "given" to them by rabid anti-semites (Lord Balfour, etc.). A desert region surrounded by Arabs. The Zionists might have considered themselves "guests" of those who inhabited the area, but instead, treated them as colonists would treat the indigenous, resulting now after 75 years of oppression, in the desire for ethnocide.

These Zionists are an abomination for all Jews, creating a real excuse to hate Jews world-wide. They do not follow the precepts of their religion. They need to be removed and incarcerated (their leaders) though all Israelis are implicit in allowing them to reign.

The "homeland" needs to be a home for anyone to live in peace and harmony. Governed in a horizontal fashion to eliminate the possibility of subversion, corruption, and control. All people with equal rights and ethnic differences are honored and permitted. It needs to be an example to the world of how people can live together. The Jews were "chosen" not because they were in any way special, they were chosen to help lead the way to an ethical, just, and peaceful world.

And whatever happened to the 10 Commandments? Thou shalt not kill. And do unto others.... These Zionists are not really Jews, they are blasphemers.

The challenge now is to get this solution into the heads of humanity and especially Israelis and Palestinians.

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What is your opinion?

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Just because the Bible says that Israel is the homeland for Jews forever is to me, ridiculous to take seriously. The ancient Bible is not an authority as far as I am concerned. All lands have been taken by force. The planet is the homeland for everyone, there are no designated areas for any particular groups. If the planet was free of the criminal cartels that control everything, people could go where they like.

I say that Jews that don't follow the 10 commandments or the golden rule don't deserve to be called Jews anymore than Hitler was a Christian.

I would like to know how you imagine that I am promoting ethnic supremacy which is exactly opposite of my intention.

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The ten Commandments are based on stuff everybody wants to do....They are recommendations for not being a problem in society. The 1st one: "Thou shall have no other Gods before me.", is not very democratic.

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That is how many Jews view their Scriptures, and I live in America where I know for a fact many Jews and Christians believe the same, and there is more. In the New Testament, Jewish leaders had Jesus crucified, and that is the real reason, I think that many Christians want Israel where it is, to protect where Jesus was crucified and before that, born not all that far away.

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All that can be done without there being a state of Israel. Israel is a fiction created by a rabid anti-semite, Lord Balfour. It has betrayed it's religion by not observing the 10 commandments and the golden rule. It has created world-wide anti-semitism with its ethnocide and horrid treatment of the Palestinians for 75 years. Like most countries, it is controlled by criminal elites and used as client state by the US. Let's show the world that Jews can be peace makers and dismantle Israel and make the whole region an example of how people from all cultures and faiths can live in harmony with horizontal governance (citizen participation, direct democracy) to preclude the possibility of subversion, corruption, and/or control by nefarious outside forces. Only radical solutions for these radically fukked up times.

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In the recent past, I proposed here and other forums, that America offer Israel sanctuary in America in exchange for Israel ceasing hostilities and packing up and moving to America, and if Israel declines, the the American government gives Israel no more money, weapons and ammo.. I was blasted on all sides. Perhaps you have a proposal for disbanding Israel, which might work?

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The people in Gaza don’t think Israel is a fictional simulation.

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Are you mature enough to have a civil disagreement? Please keep your derogatory comments to yourself. I am not deciding for anyone how they identify. I am pointing out that people call themselves Jews when in reality they are simply criminals, and how they identify is only for ulterior purposes in my opinion. Was Hitler a Christian?

I don't think that there is a necessity for Jews to inhabit Israel just because the Bible said they must 2000 years ago. The planet is for everyone, there are no real designated areas for any cultural or ethnic groups. All lands have been appropriated by violence and have no legitimate claims.

The Zionists have abused the privilege afforded them to live amongst the Palestinians by their years of subjugation and abusive treatment, and now the desire for ethnocide. Ethnocide can never be a solution to a problem.

People who call themselves Jews and live like barbarians are an abomination for all people who call themselves Jews and try to live by their precepts.

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Jews live all over the world. They don't need a designated zone, a target. It is a diaspora and that is what it should be. They don't need to be a corruptible nation. Christians are the same. They don't need to be herded together and placed in one area, they can live all around the world.

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I was born and raised in Christendom, in Alabama, and I never heard a Christian call him/her self a Zionist. I have known may Christians who are convinced Israel should exist in Palestine, because their Old Testament says so, I am not one of them, and I do not belong to any religon, nor to any political party.

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If you mean, they support the State of Israel, yes. President Biden, who is Roman Catholic and not an evangelical, supports the State of Israel. As do many liberal Christians in America, as do probably nearly all conservative American Christians, evangelical and otherwise. But they call themselves Christians, Catholics, etc. I think you are splitting hairs. It’s because of the Old Testament that they support the State of Israel, and because, in their New Testament, Jesus was born and was crucified in that region. it is also because of their Scriptures, that Jews formed the State of Israel in that region. This whole horrible mess there is the result of three religions that descended from Abraham: Judaism, Christendom and Islam. The fundamentalists in those three religious believe they re God’s chosen people, because of their respective Scriptures and related dogmas. Much of Christendom believes that only Christians die and go to heaven, and all the rest die and burn in hell forever. Fundamentalist Jews believe they are God’s chosen people, because that is what their Scriptures say. Fundamentalist Muslims believe they are God’s chosen people, because Ishmael, not Isaac, was the son God promised Abraham. You, Chris Hedges, and many people can lay the strife in Palestine on Israel and America, if you wish, but that ignores the actual historical context of the conflict, which is why Israel came into being where it now is - the Jewish Scriptures and the Christen Old and New Testaments. That’s also why what you call Zionists run Israel today, and side with Israel if they are Cathoilicsk Christians or Mormons in America. In Utah is Zion National Monument. Zion is a holy place in their scriptures, a fortress, place of refuge, where God resides. It also is a physical place in Palestine, where King David set up shop. This entire horrific mess is religious, and the Devil is very pleased :-).

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No, the source is the Scriptures. Good luck eradicating them and the three religious that depend on them.

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Israel is perpetrating a Holocaust....I imagine that may be perceived as antisemitic....so be it. A Holocaust is a Holocaust regardless of the numbers slautered or the manner of the slaughter. A pox upon the house of Israel. Am not "religious" in the typical sense, and so do not believe in a heaven or hell...but in the case of this genocide...I wish I did. Isreal no longer can legitimately use the Holocaust Trump card. Those days are over.

"Meaning of holocaust in English - a very large amount of destruction, especially by fire or heat, or the killing of very large numbers of people: nuclear holocaust A nuclear holocaust (= destruction caused by nuclear weapons) would leave few survivors.Nov 29, 2023"

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Yes, Vote them out. As Ralph Nader said, if you always vote for the lesser evil, you'll always have less and you'll always have evil. Max Blumenthal who has written on this conflict for years says "write in a watermelon if you have too" for president 2024. I'm considering "wasting my vote" to take a moral stance because both Democrat or Republican frontrunners condone evil.

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could bring tfg back....

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Woe, woe, woe…ad infinitum….

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This should place no doubt in the minds of all Americans that we have effectively lost our country to the Israeli lobby. Make no mistake about it. The US Government aka Israel voted for more Genocide, again! There is no justification for the genocidal slaughter of innocent Palestinian people and children, and those in proximity at the hands of Netanyahu, the IDF, and the US Government. Unbelievable and tragic. As an American I am sickened.

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Why is it not made clear that likely half of the 1200 Israelis killed on Oct 7 were murdered by the IDF ?

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Anti Zionism is not anti Semitism! The American public taking notice of the Israeli Occupation of Palestine and Gaza through the prism of Oct 7 is divorced from historic context. From past Zionist leaders mouths the truth about this war of revenge and Genocide, is just one more step and example for the well planned fruition of a Jewish ONLY Nation State. If you don't believe me, how about Ben Gurion, called the founding father of Israel? After the 1948 UN partition vote he said "this is just the beginning". To put the "River to the Sea" trope to bed as anti Semitic, Ben Gurion's vision was a hundred fold worse "The present map of Palestine was drawn by the British Mandate. The Jewish people have another map which our youth and adults should strive to fulfill, FROM THE EUPHRATES TO THE NILE. Mixing religious Judaism and secularism Ben Gurion said " Since I invoke the Torah so often, let me state that I DO NOT PERSONALLY BELIEVE IN THE GOD IT POSTULATES....I am not religious, nor were the majority of the early builders and believers. Yet their passion for this land stemmed from the Book of the Books (the Bible) and is the mostly important book in my life!" It proves Israel was a nation built on "Double Think"? A nation defended with "Double Speak"? A nation warned of by George Orwell? Where "Ignorance is Strength" and "War is Peace"? Today Israel is Orwell World on steroids! The dead are piling up in Gaza, with no end in sight! No one day massacre can justify this Genocide, no matter how much Hasbara Israel's "Ministry of Truth" spews out.

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P.S. more Ben Gurion " The Arabs of the land of Palestine have only one function left them.....to run away....We must do everything in our power to ensure they never return". Todays Genocide "Excuse" of Oct 7 was foreseen too "the Arab's will have to go, but one needs an Opportune Moment for making it happen, such as war! The Palestinian NIGHTMARE OF THE LAST 75 YEARS AND TODAY was the Zionist DREAM of Herzel's too. His diary the desire to "spirit" the country's poor population "discreetly across the borders. He also offered the White Mans Imperial trope that the colonization and theft of land would benefit them.

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Magnificent, the best piece I’ve read on the current slaughter.

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Another excellent column.

I'm so disappointed in current US and Israeli leadership. Pounding the chest like a pair of 800 lb gorillas and laughing off foreign policy like it's only for sissies, when it's one of the prerequisites of civilization. What about the right of self-governance, and respect for the inalienable rights of man?

The statements below are as radical today as they were when authored almost 250 years ago:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.-"

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