Has Zionism, especially Liberal Zionist, exhausted itself? The humanistic constructs of liberal Zionism, always in conflict with itself because of its refusal to grant Palestinians equal civil and political rights, has led many Israelis to embrace a far more chauvinistic and fanatic religious Zionism. What does this mean for Israel? And, as important, what does this mean for Judaism? The Zionist movement, which became a dominating force with the establishment of the Jewish state in 1948, sought to shut out Jewish critics. It not only maligned Jews that did not embrace Zionism, but labeled them anti-Jews, self-hating Jews or counter-Jews. This war within Judaism between those who put Israel at the center of Jewish identity and those who did not ripped apart and continues to rip apart the Jewish collective. As Rabbi Shaul Magid writes, “The Talmudic sages teach that the heretic (apikorus or min) is actually worse that the idolater. In their estimation, unlike the idolator, the heretic subverts Judaism from the inside.” Rabbi Magid goes on to argue that the demand for the full Zionization of American Jewry is an attempt to brand all who do not give their primary loyalty to the State of Israel Jewish heretics, apostates. This battle within Zionism raises crucial questions. What role does exile play in Jewish belief? What role does the state of Israel play in Jewish belief? Is Zionism the only true refuge for Jews? Are Jews who reject Zionism and Israel’s occupation of the Palestinians, who embrace lives outside of Israel, upholding or defying Jewish tradition? Is the nation-state the best or healthiest collective structure for Jews? Is a Jewish homeland, known by Jews as the Land of Israel, connected to sovereignty? Judaism existed, of course, long before the concept of sovereignty and the Land of Israel has been the homeland of the Jews for millennia without sovereignty. Is the concept of “homeland” or in Hebrew
I just finished Laurent Guyenot's From Yahweh to Zion and I don't know if I can ever see the Jews in a different light than what he painted: the duel nature of the Zionist Jew and how superiority, exampled by their laws and refusal at assimilation and intermarriage to keep their blood pure reminds me of Hitler. I will listen to this carefully and if I change my mind or have other comments, I will post again.
Exactly, this is what bothered me also for all the years (superiority, refusal of assimilation and keep blood pure ...), I find this highly offensive (just my private opinion).
I agree, although there are or were a 'few others' that thought (or think the same), see the wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chosen_people (I thought I read once, that in the OLD times Chinese thought also they are ... I think at the bottom it is just tribalism or group narcissism - i.e. my 'group' is better than yours ... which of course is the root of all evil)
I think it is likely that the Talmudic view, which still exists, developed when it was crucial for survival for those Jews in Babylon. It was necessary to adopt an extreme paranoid view of the outside world. That those circumstances no longer exist, and that those views are now detrimental to their surviving in the existing real world is something that they don't seem to be able to realize or accept, given their self-imposed isolation, and non-stop indoctrination. This really is a time for friendly intervention. We can't allow them to destroy the Palestinians, and in so doing, we may help them find the path to connect with the rest of humanity.
All the monotheistic religions from the Middle East are evil. Christianity and Islam have each done far more harm to this planet and the people on it than Judaism has.
Christianity is not monotheistic; it has three gods and is the less tolerant of the three Abrahamic religions and since Constantine it reached such power that it probably has caused more damage than the other two.
Dear Goddess....we aren't competing for the least evil award are we??? It's why I prefer wicca, or something like it. A mystery religion at least admits that there's a lot it doesn't know.
I've thought for a long time that the aspiration to speak for divinity is the intellectual evil. The willingness to kill or oppress 'the other' the soul death. Seems all three monotheisms suffer from both temptations.
I would respectfully suggest you acquire a copy of "South Africa: Prospects for a Successful Transition" edited by Robert Tucker and Bruce Scott (Prof. Harvard Business School). The book is the edited transcripts of the activities of the group that led de Klerk through the decision to abandon apartheid and negotiations with various parties for the transition to majority rule.
Chapter 1 is the critical chapter, it summarizes the review Bruce did of some 100+ failed societies and the scenarios the legendary scenario planner Pierre Waack created from those reviews. That summary is reduced to one chart on page 37. It is the chart that de Klerk was looking at when he closed the chapter of South African history called apartheid.
It applies equally to Israel (and perhaps the post-1980 USA). I have most of Bruce's work in my files but I am missing the hardcopy of the societal reviews. These boxes are bing checked into the Baker Library collection and will eventually be public.
From Bruce's work, Israel has two choices a completely free and functionally viable 2nd State it no longer controls or a plural society. Anything short and the violence continues. Copies of the book are hard to find, I can generally get the at Abe's online.
You don't mention how the cabal of Rothschild's Central Banking system has taken over South Africa. From one colonial imperialist to the financial imperialism of central banks. Stephen Mitford Goodson wrote a book, Inside The South African Reserve Bank, It's Origins and Secrets Exposed.
Yours is one of the more miserable ANTI SEMITIC tropes : that of the secret , behind - the -scenes. 'lever-pulling' financiers' who control the world ( a 'cabal', of course !) of Rothschilds ( goes without saying , eh ?) . Straight from Mein Kampf. The Likud party LOVE people like you , to BN you're the gift that keeps on giving. And to anyone who really wants to know the motivations for 'Paula's' 'ideas' , may I suggest Googling 'Mitford Goodson'
Gosh Mark.........I just had to read Naomi Klein's book Disaster Capitalism, to understand what Paula is talking about. Plus...if you look into the proxy wars America has fought over the last few decades........Financial imperialism is a big part of it.
It's news to me that calling out deregulated global capitalism is a form of antisemitism.....but I will look into it.
Your deliberate misrepresentation of my comment is proof of your cowardice. 'Look into' her hero. Mr Goodson . Read his filthy garbage then tell us all of your ' insights' into 'global' ( a dogwhistle term if ever there was one) capitalism.
Oh dear! I think you're seeing enemies where none are. I merely said that nothing I'd read that Paula said added up to what you were accusing her of. Financialized capitalism is a reality....where were you during the melt down of 2008? I thought by now everyone would have got the message that melt down........and the subsequent bail out.......taught us.
But the gentiles who colonized the Americas and Australia get a free pas from you? And what about the Muslims who invaded Africa and Indonesia with their religious crap, supplanting the native beliefs and religions? Christians and Muslims have caused far more harm than Jews. Your trope is indeed anti-Semitic, and I've almost never called anyone that. All these religions totally suck, but to single out Jews is reprehensible.
No, I do not. I only reference Chapter 1 of the book as it summarizes the case for ending apartheid in South Africa based on a historical review of 100+ societies with structural underclasses. Banking had little bearing on it, the co-editor and team leader Robert Tucker, chaired the Old Mutual Bank during the period.
The balance of the book is about the transition to Democracy and its foundation is laid in the success of South Korean and Taiwan versus serial failures elsewhere. It provides insight into why those to succeeded (long periods of institution building under military rule) and why so many have failed utterly (purple ink on thumb Democracies).
Let us be frank and clear. Israel, like Iran, is a theological fascist state.
But unlike other movements, Zionists work with Christian Fundamentalists, their nemesis to assure the state of Israel and Zionism is maintained.
This partnership between evangelical Christians and Zionism makes for a vicious brew.
We see it now.
do you think the Evangelicals like Hagee actually like 'Jews'?
Israel is a weaponized, theocratic country that is very, very dangerous for it has EVERYTHING to lose and so do the neo-cons like Richard Perle, et. al. for they all are on Israeli passports.
Theological fascism is on the rise and it is this that we must speak of.
All religions are dangerous when used to capture state hierarchy.
Israel is no different and is hardly a democracy.
America is a theocratic nation that has simply not yet transformed into its own form of Sharia.
JFK resisted giving them nuclear weapons and wanted constant inspections. He was also going to end the Vietnam war and US dependence on The Federal Reserve bank of which Rothschild on the majority share. Most discerning scholars believe Israel murdered him with some aid from others. And many believe with plausible reasons that Israel did 9/11 to get us into war with the Middle East. See this: Christopher Bollyn The Dual-Deception of 9-11 and the Fraudulent War on Terror
"Most discerning scholars believe Israel murdered [JFK]? Utter nonsense. Anyone who has a clue about that assassination knows that the CIA (predominantly Christian) used the Mafia and anti-Castro Cubans, none of whom are Jewish, to kill Kennedy. You've just shown that you're a full-blown anti-Semitic nutcase.
Yes, this is one theory but if you go to KennedyandKings.com or org you will find the refutation of most of this.
One should know the history of the use of Israel for geopolitical purposes, see former CIA Foreign Chief of Affairs James Angleton who was blackmailed by Zionism for US state secrets. The Philby's as well worked with Mossad as spies. Both father and son.
Israel was a mistake. Theocratic fascism is what is at issue here.
You should read Michael Piper's book. You might find more evidence. Basically, people are afraid to implicate Israel, but look what they did to the USS Liberty.
What was done to the USS Liberty had to do with the fact that the USS Liberty was a spy ship off the coast of Israel and was spying on Israel to see the extent of their power. This is when Israel went mad, for the US really never supported Israel. The CIA under Angleton gave US secrets to the Israelis. Then we spied on them and got the USS Liberty. Read John Loftus: The Secret History of the Jews re: the CIA involvement
Israelis were keeping their nuclear weapons development secret and as an ally, they should have never done that. Johnson put a gag order on the survivors who talked only recently. I do hope you've watched their testimonies. Johnson was even part of Kennedy's assassination and immediately reversed all that JFK had planned. He was a crook and a deceitful and ugly man.
For me, Michael Piper wrote the definitive text on the JFK assassination. Was a number 1 banned book which adds to its believability. He was definitely persecuted for it by the ADL. Hard to find and cost a pretty penny to purchase. Final Judgement by Michael Collins Piper. It may be in archived format by now and free to read if you are a reader like myself. If I listed all I've read since and before the 7th, it would impress a lot of people. I am not by any means normal, but I am educated and well read. Along with what is called my anti Semitic views, I often post of this young lady to soothe and keep my hatred at bay. Simone Zimmerman
Have you read him. He has another great book, which I like even better. A History of Central Banking and The Enslavement of Mankind. I probably shouldn't bother communicating with judging by your tone and comments. Sad.
In America, as Sinclair Lewis wrote in "It Can't Happen Here' in 1932, fascism will come to America with a cross wrapped in an American flag. It already has.
The existence and behavior of Israel itself is fomenting anti-Semitism, as can be seen by many of the comments here. As a Jew, I wish Israel didn't even exist. Israel's existence and actions, culminating with its current genocide, are endangering us Jews, including ironically those of us who totally oppose Israel.
You prefer we push everything under the rug like we've always done? There's a huge bump under there and it's high time we shake that carpet out and all the false informations we've been fed with and never allowed to question. We are coming into an age that E-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g is being exposed in E-v-e-r-y-w-a-y, whether we like it or not. Not just Jewish but every other beliefs need to be exposed and questioned. For thousands of years we were not allowed to criticise the Jews. No more. Furthermore, it's proven that the Jewish gods were extra-terrestrials (ETs) and that explains why they were so cruel, because they were not God but passed themselves as gods to control the naive followers. We were not allowed to read the earlier bibles before the King James' Bible that came out in the 1700s. We have people today that have looked into the very first books or scripts and the truth is finally coming out. Check Italian translator of ancient texts, Mauro Biglino as well as Australian Paul Wallis.
Jews have been expelled over 1000 times within the last 2000 years from countries, duchies and the likes, https://rumble.com/v3xo77w-jews-expelled-1030-times.html. That tells you a lot how they can't live with other people, let alone with themselves. If you remove all the Arabs in Israel, the Jews will fight each other; this time they won't have to blame anyone else but themselves.
I lived in Israel in the early 80s and could see easily this eventually occurring. I remember this Arab village in the Golan where the Israeli Gov't had moved their main well from the centre of the city to about 25 km outside the city; I assumed it was to better control them but mostly to steal their water. Then I noticed the Israelis watering their huge gardens all day long. Knowing the shortage of water they should water at night as in the daytime, half the water never reaches the ground because of the heat. Furthermore, a few years ago, I read that they had planted trees that came from Northern Europe even after they were told that those trees needed a lot of water. Just these 2 examples shows that it's a matter of time the Israelis attack a neighbouring country to get their water. They don't even know how to handle the land they stole. When they manage to remove all Arabs from Israel, they will only have themselves to pick on. I doubt they will last that long.
Thank you, Chris. There is much food for thought here as I struggle to understand the relation between Judaism and Zionism.
Another highly useful tool in understanding this is Miko Peled's interview with Rabbi Dovid Feldman from January 14. It may be necessary to (at least to access this interview) join Miko's Patreon page, but for those wishing to further their understanding, it's a great investment of the five bucks.
You have no idea what you're talking about, and that's an anti-Semitic comment. I'm 100% Jewish and I hate Israel, wish it didn't exist. Same with my Jewish friends and my brother. Along with Paula, you've also shown yourself to be an ignorant anti-Semite.
Actually, Zionism exists in direct violation of Judaic law. The former is a perversion of the latter. By the same reasoning you're employing, I could say that there's not much difference between Christianity and the Ku Klux Klan... They both use crosses as symbols, right?
Let's see... Thou shall not kill... Thou shall not steal... There's quite a few, actually.
The establishment of a Jewish sovereign state is expressly forbidden under actual rabbinical law, as described most eloquently by Rabbi Dovid Feldman in his Jan 14 interview with Miko Peled. If you really want to be informed about the absolute opposition to Zionism by traditional Jewry, beginning in the late 1800's, when Theodore Herzel was cynically appropriating Judaism in defense of Zionism, watch the interview. It'll cost you five bucks (to Miko's Patreon page), but, like I said, if you really want to be informed about the issue, it's a great investment.
Again, my objection is that your lumping all Jews or all Christians together, as though they're some kind of monolith, doesn't serve any of us, and, like most generalizations, it is, by definition, not true. Martin Luther King was a Christian Reverend. Chris Hedges is a graduate of Harvard divinity school. Archbishop Oscar Romero gave his life in service to the poor in El Salvador. These guys were/are not members of the Klan.
Not sure how true that is, but definitely the collective west is supporting it and showing the rest of the world their true colors as the never shed colonial imperialists they have always been and then of course they have the same problem of powerful Jewish pacts etc. influencing their politics as well. The hegemony of these western nations must be destroyed and their strength lies in their banking system which is why all nations who want to take away the power of the collective west need to open national banks rather than Central and International banks. That will end their reign and evil hold on our world. Why do you think Russia and China do not have international central banks. They are both doing quite well as was Libya until the West, financed by the banksters, murdered him. He had a national banking system backed by the gold dinar. Hitler too did quite well by avoiding the Central Banks of the Rothschilds.
Chris, I just wrote this to your Alma Mater regarding “The Quiet American” Empire showdown which has been engaged with a game of Nuclear ‘Chicken’:
@Daniel Ashworth
Daniel, hopefully Ms. Victoria “ef the EU”, PNAC, Kagan-Nuland’s war-ginning exercise of 2014 will be taken as “seriously — as a heat-attack” — or any other implied attack.
Jews use "antisemitism" all the time. I thought it only referred to Jews, until my Lebanese friend told me that he was Semitic. Palestinians are Semitic. I wish people would address this more instead of lettingJew co-op the term and use it to condemn anyone who speaks against the Israeli government.
"Semitic - Originally: a member of any of the peoples mentioned in Genesis 10:21–31 as descended from Shem, one of the sons of Noah, traditionally interpreted as including the Hebrews, Aramaeans, Assyrians, and Arabs."
My knowledge of Judaic law is slim to non-existent. My unwillingness to conflate Jewish supremacy as expressed by Zionism with Judaism stems from the interview by Miko Peled of the Rabbi Dovid Feldman (Jan 14 of this year), during which Feldman states that in Leviticus, Jews are exiled from Palestine because they broke with their covenant, and by the same law are forbidden from returning, at least in any role of ruling the land. And as I explored the issue of the creation of Zionism, I see that it was vociferously opposed by by the traditional Jewish establishment, mostly in Eastern Europe, during the late 1800's when Zionism's modern form, advocating the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine, was in the process of being created. And it's still strongly opposed and considered heretical by the Ultra-Orthodox Jewish community, of whom Rabbi Feldman is a member. I highly recommend the interview, and would be interested in hearing your take on it.
Demagogues and charlatans have historically hidden their agendas behind the cloak of various religions to commit the most heinous crimes imaginable. And devout scholars of those faiths have historically opposed them. To equate all Jews with Jewish supremacy or Zionism ignores the fact the most strident and effective resistance to this genocide happening in Gaza today, at least in this country, is being led by groups like Jewish Voice for Peace (full disclosure, I'm a member, though I'm allergic to organized religion), If Not Now, and the Orthodox Jewish community as personified by folks such as Rabbi Feldman. And to lump all Jews together does the folks I've just mentioned a great disservice and undermines their work for peace and justice in Palestine.
I'm a serious admirer of the work of Miko Peled, one of whose books, *The General's Son: Journey of an Israeli in Palestine*, has inspired me to believe that, by working across the lines of ethnicism, religion, national borders, and other fictitiously imposed divisions among humans, we can vanquish the ideas of white supremacy, Jewish supremacy, and other toxic elements of collective consciousness from our discourse. And if we don't vanquish these ideas, or at least deligitimize them, we're going to go extinct as a species.
Just an aside here: Chomsky is not against BDS. There is an interview with him where he says that he supports BDS. It is a video interview and those are his words.
The comments in this section have little to do with Chris Hedges interview and are filled with generalizations about Jews which are anti semetic, which as a Jew I find insulting and disgusting!
The reality is it is only the voice of people like you speaking clearly and courageously that will make for change. The challenge as I appreciate it is you are taught to tolerate a kid range of views within Judaism under the mantra of tolerance. Extremists of any form are generally incompatible with civil society in a multi-cultural setting.
I have to say this was a fascinating interview and I got some good insight.
However, IF you want to reach out to people in the US in particular you have to NOT speak 'down' to them.
I have NO idea what BDSM means. Spell it out. did work it out from the conversation but some will not.
I don't know if you academics are aware that we are inundated with acronyms To me it is a way of keeping people dumb.
IF you want to use acronyms: write them out before you start.OR get rid of them!
I live in a family of academics (I was the artist) I have been ignored mostly BUT there is absolutely NO doubt I have a lot more knowledge about daily life than an academic.
Acronyms , just like antonyms, homonyms, eponyms, demonyms , etc , are words. You ,no doubt, are an American. You live in 'the USA'. Notice that you use the article, 'the' and also that you DONT pronounce USA as word. ie , you never say I live in 'yoosa'..'USA' is not a word , not an acronym. My friend works for THE UN. UN is not an acronym.Again, notice the article. UN is pronounced 'you en' if it were an acronym, ie , a word , it would be pronounced 'un' ( like 'sun' minus the S.) My friend's husband works for UNESCO. UNESCO is an acronym. His sister works for THE ( that pesky article again) FAO. It's pronounced ef ay o.Were it an acronym, he would say "I work for 'fow'. But he doesn't. Because FAO is NOT an acronym. Unlike 'UNESCO'..Send me a recording of you pronouncing 'LGBTQI ' as a word ( you can't) .Because it's not an acronym either.
It seems that this problem is easy to resolve. De-couple the term “Jew” and Israel. Let “Jew” and “Jews” refer to people who practice Judaism. Since practicing Jews come from all over the world, the argument of a blood line or race is moot. Let Israel stand alone as its nationality and in all its actions on behalf of ISRAEL. NOT ON BEHALF OF “Jews”. and reserve the term “Jew” for those who actively practice Judaism. Then criticism of what Israel does - as it relates to atrocities , genocide, racism, apartheid, - won’t be connected to practicing jews or hidden behind a faith that is disconnect from it. And those practicing Judaism can disconnect from any criticism or action against ISRAEl because it’s no longer a part of their “identity”. I just can’t imagine any human wanting to be associated with the Israeli governments decision of genocide because they proclaim to be acting for all “Jews”. They don’t. Luckily, this is becoming more clear every single day.
There’s no need to argue about what Judaism is or isn’t. It deserves to be de-coupled with Israel who se current leaders could not care about the lives of those practicing Jews in Israel and certainly not anywhere else or about the lives of innocent human beings. The problem has never been Judaism. The problem is Israel. Zionism is an ideology picking from Judaism , Christianity to justify its ideology. It still. Just an ideology where as Judaism is a religion. Opposition to an ideology that cherry picks from religion to justify its ideology is not anti semetism. Opposition to Judaism , the place where the ideology is gathering its justification is anti semetism. This is not difficult. Decouple Israel from “Jew” and let criticism of Zionism remain open to its ideology as NOT anti semettic. Palestinians are SEMITES. GENOCIDE IS ANTI SEMETIC BY DEFINITION.
Outstanding interview. Thank you so much. I will get Professor Magid's book. I am very worried for the fate of humanity, as, both Chris Hedges and Rabbi Shaul Magid make very clear, the trends are not exactly positive..
I just finished Laurent Guyenot's From Yahweh to Zion and I don't know if I can ever see the Jews in a different light than what he painted: the duel nature of the Zionist Jew and how superiority, exampled by their laws and refusal at assimilation and intermarriage to keep their blood pure reminds me of Hitler. I will listen to this carefully and if I change my mind or have other comments, I will post again.
Exactly, this is what bothered me also for all the years (superiority, refusal of assimilation and keep blood pure ...), I find this highly offensive (just my private opinion).
I agree, although there are or were a 'few others' that thought (or think the same), see the wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chosen_people (I thought I read once, that in the OLD times Chinese thought also they are ... I think at the bottom it is just tribalism or group narcissism - i.e. my 'group' is better than yours ... which of course is the root of all evil)
I think it is likely that the Talmudic view, which still exists, developed when it was crucial for survival for those Jews in Babylon. It was necessary to adopt an extreme paranoid view of the outside world. That those circumstances no longer exist, and that those views are now detrimental to their surviving in the existing real world is something that they don't seem to be able to realize or accept, given their self-imposed isolation, and non-stop indoctrination. This really is a time for friendly intervention. We can't allow them to destroy the Palestinians, and in so doing, we may help them find the path to connect with the rest of humanity.
All the monotheistic religions from the Middle East are evil. Christianity and Islam have each done far more harm to this planet and the people on it than Judaism has.
Christianity is not monotheistic; it has three gods and is the less tolerant of the three Abrahamic religions and since Constantine it reached such power that it probably has caused more damage than the other two.
It's three in one Julio...God in three persons, blessed Trinity. A patriarchal steal of the triple goddess...maiden, mother, crone.
Yes, but still three gods. The almighty cannot create contradictions. It cannot make a square in the shape of a circle and neither make 3=1.
Dear Goddess....we aren't competing for the least evil award are we??? It's why I prefer wicca, or something like it. A mystery religion at least admits that there's a lot it doesn't know.
I've thought for a long time that the aspiration to speak for divinity is the intellectual evil. The willingness to kill or oppress 'the other' the soul death. Seems all three monotheisms suffer from both temptations.
I would respectfully suggest you acquire a copy of "South Africa: Prospects for a Successful Transition" edited by Robert Tucker and Bruce Scott (Prof. Harvard Business School). The book is the edited transcripts of the activities of the group that led de Klerk through the decision to abandon apartheid and negotiations with various parties for the transition to majority rule.
Chapter 1 is the critical chapter, it summarizes the review Bruce did of some 100+ failed societies and the scenarios the legendary scenario planner Pierre Waack created from those reviews. That summary is reduced to one chart on page 37. It is the chart that de Klerk was looking at when he closed the chapter of South African history called apartheid.
It applies equally to Israel (and perhaps the post-1980 USA). I have most of Bruce's work in my files but I am missing the hardcopy of the societal reviews. These boxes are bing checked into the Baker Library collection and will eventually be public.
From Bruce's work, Israel has two choices a completely free and functionally viable 2nd State it no longer controls or a plural society. Anything short and the violence continues. Copies of the book are hard to find, I can generally get the at Abe's online.
You don't mention how the cabal of Rothschild's Central Banking system has taken over South Africa. From one colonial imperialist to the financial imperialism of central banks. Stephen Mitford Goodson wrote a book, Inside The South African Reserve Bank, It's Origins and Secrets Exposed.
Yours is one of the more miserable ANTI SEMITIC tropes : that of the secret , behind - the -scenes. 'lever-pulling' financiers' who control the world ( a 'cabal', of course !) of Rothschilds ( goes without saying , eh ?) . Straight from Mein Kampf. The Likud party LOVE people like you , to BN you're the gift that keeps on giving. And to anyone who really wants to know the motivations for 'Paula's' 'ideas' , may I suggest Googling 'Mitford Goodson'
Gosh Mark.........I just had to read Naomi Klein's book Disaster Capitalism, to understand what Paula is talking about. Plus...if you look into the proxy wars America has fought over the last few decades........Financial imperialism is a big part of it.
It's news to me that calling out deregulated global capitalism is a form of antisemitism.....but I will look into it.
Your deliberate misrepresentation of my comment is proof of your cowardice. 'Look into' her hero. Mr Goodson . Read his filthy garbage then tell us all of your ' insights' into 'global' ( a dogwhistle term if ever there was one) capitalism.
Oh dear! I think you're seeing enemies where none are. I merely said that nothing I'd read that Paula said added up to what you were accusing her of. Financialized capitalism is a reality....where were you during the melt down of 2008? I thought by now everyone would have got the message that melt down........and the subsequent bail out.......taught us.
I doubt you'll read this as you seem like a man with a closed mind. https://archive.org/details/from-yahweh-to-zion-laurent-guyenot
Jon, you are being incredibly offensive to us Jewish anti-Zionists. Please stop.
You apparently don't know US history, the history of the Holodomor or Stalin and the Bolsheviks. God help you if you have money in the bank, own stocks, a retirement fund, mortgage on a house or land if banks fail and where Biden is leading us. https://scheerpost.com/2024/02/14/ellen-brown-defusing-the-derivatives-time-bomb-some-proposed-solutions/
But the gentiles who colonized the Americas and Australia get a free pas from you? And what about the Muslims who invaded Africa and Indonesia with their religious crap, supplanting the native beliefs and religions? Christians and Muslims have caused far more harm than Jews. Your trope is indeed anti-Semitic, and I've almost never called anyone that. All these religions totally suck, but to single out Jews is reprehensible.
Yes. Wherever apartheid colonialism is defeated, it does seem that capital apartheid (majority poor/minority filthy rich) steos in to fill the gap.
At the bottom, its always about theft is it not?
No, I do not. I only reference Chapter 1 of the book as it summarizes the case for ending apartheid in South Africa based on a historical review of 100+ societies with structural underclasses. Banking had little bearing on it, the co-editor and team leader Robert Tucker, chaired the Old Mutual Bank during the period.
The balance of the book is about the transition to Democracy and its foundation is laid in the success of South Korean and Taiwan versus serial failures elsewhere. It provides insight into why those to succeeded (long periods of institution building under military rule) and why so many have failed utterly (purple ink on thumb Democracies).
Let us be frank and clear. Israel, like Iran, is a theological fascist state.
But unlike other movements, Zionists work with Christian Fundamentalists, their nemesis to assure the state of Israel and Zionism is maintained.
This partnership between evangelical Christians and Zionism makes for a vicious brew.
We see it now.
do you think the Evangelicals like Hagee actually like 'Jews'?
Israel is a weaponized, theocratic country that is very, very dangerous for it has EVERYTHING to lose and so do the neo-cons like Richard Perle, et. al. for they all are on Israeli passports.
Theological fascism is on the rise and it is this that we must speak of.
All religions are dangerous when used to capture state hierarchy.
Israel is no different and is hardly a democracy.
America is a theocratic nation that has simply not yet transformed into its own form of Sharia.
It will. When Trump comes back, their messiah
JFK resisted giving them nuclear weapons and wanted constant inspections. He was also going to end the Vietnam war and US dependence on The Federal Reserve bank of which Rothschild on the majority share. Most discerning scholars believe Israel murdered him with some aid from others. And many believe with plausible reasons that Israel did 9/11 to get us into war with the Middle East. See this: Christopher Bollyn The Dual-Deception of 9-11 and the Fraudulent War on Terror
https://youtube.com/watch?v=opu_-S1yPPs
"Most discerning scholars believe Israel murdered [JFK]? Utter nonsense. Anyone who has a clue about that assassination knows that the CIA (predominantly Christian) used the Mafia and anti-Castro Cubans, none of whom are Jewish, to kill Kennedy. You've just shown that you're a full-blown anti-Semitic nutcase.
You haven't read very deeply.
Anyone who must resort to name calling isn't worthy of my time.
Yes, this is one theory but if you go to KennedyandKings.com or org you will find the refutation of most of this.
One should know the history of the use of Israel for geopolitical purposes, see former CIA Foreign Chief of Affairs James Angleton who was blackmailed by Zionism for US state secrets. The Philby's as well worked with Mossad as spies. Both father and son.
Israel was a mistake. Theocratic fascism is what is at issue here.
You should read Michael Piper's book. You might find more evidence. Basically, people are afraid to implicate Israel, but look what they did to the USS Liberty.
What was done to the USS Liberty had to do with the fact that the USS Liberty was a spy ship off the coast of Israel and was spying on Israel to see the extent of their power. This is when Israel went mad, for the US really never supported Israel. The CIA under Angleton gave US secrets to the Israelis. Then we spied on them and got the USS Liberty. Read John Loftus: The Secret History of the Jews re: the CIA involvement
Israelis were keeping their nuclear weapons development secret and as an ally, they should have never done that. Johnson put a gag order on the survivors who talked only recently. I do hope you've watched their testimonies. Johnson was even part of Kennedy's assassination and immediately reversed all that JFK had planned. He was a crook and a deceitful and ugly man.
Do you have concrete, not circumstantial evidence Johnson was in on the Kennedy assassination? Other than testimonials?
Kennedy site is no longer available. I have two browsers and Safari is the least reliable but couldn't find it on my other one either. :(
DeEugenio and his decades of work figured it out with Garrisons help
https://www.kennedysandking.com/
For me, Michael Piper wrote the definitive text on the JFK assassination. Was a number 1 banned book which adds to its believability. He was definitely persecuted for it by the ADL. Hard to find and cost a pretty penny to purchase. Final Judgement by Michael Collins Piper. It may be in archived format by now and free to read if you are a reader like myself. If I listed all I've read since and before the 7th, it would impress a lot of people. I am not by any means normal, but I am educated and well read. Along with what is called my anti Semitic views, I often post of this young lady to soothe and keep my hatred at bay. Simone Zimmerman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz4Wifnw4f0/video/1
How cliche. Gee , you're no rabid anti Semite. Some of your best friends ....yeah,
I repeat , folks , google the name of 'Paula 's' mentor , the ultra right wing historical revisionist Mitford Goodson'
Have you read him. He has another great book, which I like even better. A History of Central Banking and The Enslavement of Mankind. I probably shouldn't bother communicating with judging by your tone and comments. Sad.
It was a mistake for both the British and American Empire.
New flag for the United States of Israelica: the Stars-of-David and Stripes?
In America, as Sinclair Lewis wrote in "It Can't Happen Here' in 1932, fascism will come to America with a cross wrapped in an American flag. It already has.
The existence and behavior of Israel itself is fomenting anti-Semitism, as can be seen by many of the comments here. As a Jew, I wish Israel didn't even exist. Israel's existence and actions, culminating with its current genocide, are endangering us Jews, including ironically those of us who totally oppose Israel.
You prefer we push everything under the rug like we've always done? There's a huge bump under there and it's high time we shake that carpet out and all the false informations we've been fed with and never allowed to question. We are coming into an age that E-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g is being exposed in E-v-e-r-y-w-a-y, whether we like it or not. Not just Jewish but every other beliefs need to be exposed and questioned. For thousands of years we were not allowed to criticise the Jews. No more. Furthermore, it's proven that the Jewish gods were extra-terrestrials (ETs) and that explains why they were so cruel, because they were not God but passed themselves as gods to control the naive followers. We were not allowed to read the earlier bibles before the King James' Bible that came out in the 1700s. We have people today that have looked into the very first books or scripts and the truth is finally coming out. Check Italian translator of ancient texts, Mauro Biglino as well as Australian Paul Wallis.
Wow, you people are a perfect argument against free speech. You all sound like you're off your meds.
Jews have been expelled over 1000 times within the last 2000 years from countries, duchies and the likes, https://rumble.com/v3xo77w-jews-expelled-1030-times.html. That tells you a lot how they can't live with other people, let alone with themselves. If you remove all the Arabs in Israel, the Jews will fight each other; this time they won't have to blame anyone else but themselves.
I lived in Israel in the early 80s and could see easily this eventually occurring. I remember this Arab village in the Golan where the Israeli Gov't had moved their main well from the centre of the city to about 25 km outside the city; I assumed it was to better control them but mostly to steal their water. Then I noticed the Israelis watering their huge gardens all day long. Knowing the shortage of water they should water at night as in the daytime, half the water never reaches the ground because of the heat. Furthermore, a few years ago, I read that they had planted trees that came from Northern Europe even after they were told that those trees needed a lot of water. Just these 2 examples shows that it's a matter of time the Israelis attack a neighbouring country to get their water. They don't even know how to handle the land they stole. When they manage to remove all Arabs from Israel, they will only have themselves to pick on. I doubt they will last that long.
Thank you, Chris. There is much food for thought here as I struggle to understand the relation between Judaism and Zionism.
Another highly useful tool in understanding this is Miko Peled's interview with Rabbi Dovid Feldman from January 14. It may be necessary to (at least to access this interview) join Miko's Patreon page, but for those wishing to further their understanding, it's a great investment of the five bucks.
https://www.patreon.com/posts/conversation-of-96510870
This will educate all further into what our government is doing and in this case, it not only involves the border wall. https://unlimitedhangout.com/2024/02/investigative-reports/manufacturing-consent-the-border-fiasco-and-the-smart-wall/?ref=unlimited-hangout
You have no idea what you're talking about, and that's an anti-Semitic comment. I'm 100% Jewish and I hate Israel, wish it didn't exist. Same with my Jewish friends and my brother. Along with Paula, you've also shown yourself to be an ignorant anti-Semite.
Actually, Zionism exists in direct violation of Judaic law. The former is a perversion of the latter. By the same reasoning you're employing, I could say that there's not much difference between Christianity and the Ku Klux Klan... They both use crosses as symbols, right?
Let's see... Thou shall not kill... Thou shall not steal... There's quite a few, actually.
The establishment of a Jewish sovereign state is expressly forbidden under actual rabbinical law, as described most eloquently by Rabbi Dovid Feldman in his Jan 14 interview with Miko Peled. If you really want to be informed about the absolute opposition to Zionism by traditional Jewry, beginning in the late 1800's, when Theodore Herzel was cynically appropriating Judaism in defense of Zionism, watch the interview. It'll cost you five bucks (to Miko's Patreon page), but, like I said, if you really want to be informed about the issue, it's a great investment.
Again, my objection is that your lumping all Jews or all Christians together, as though they're some kind of monolith, doesn't serve any of us, and, like most generalizations, it is, by definition, not true. Martin Luther King was a Christian Reverend. Chris Hedges is a graduate of Harvard divinity school. Archbishop Oscar Romero gave his life in service to the poor in El Salvador. These guys were/are not members of the Klan.
Not sure how true that is, but definitely the collective west is supporting it and showing the rest of the world their true colors as the never shed colonial imperialists they have always been and then of course they have the same problem of powerful Jewish pacts etc. influencing their politics as well. The hegemony of these western nations must be destroyed and their strength lies in their banking system which is why all nations who want to take away the power of the collective west need to open national banks rather than Central and International banks. That will end their reign and evil hold on our world. Why do you think Russia and China do not have international central banks. They are both doing quite well as was Libya until the West, financed by the banksters, murdered him. He had a national banking system backed by the gold dinar. Hitler too did quite well by avoiding the Central Banks of the Rothschilds.
Chris, I just wrote this to your Alma Mater regarding “The Quiet American” Empire showdown which has been engaged with a game of Nuclear ‘Chicken’:
@Daniel Ashworth
Daniel, hopefully Ms. Victoria “ef the EU”, PNAC, Kagan-Nuland’s war-ginning exercise of 2014 will be taken as “seriously — as a heat-attack” — or any other implied attack.
AntiSemitism was most certainly used against Jeremy Corbyn unfairly. Corbyn did not fight back. That was a mistake.
Jews use "antisemitism" all the time. I thought it only referred to Jews, until my Lebanese friend told me that he was Semitic. Palestinians are Semitic. I wish people would address this more instead of lettingJew co-op the term and use it to condemn anyone who speaks against the Israeli government.
"Semitic - Originally: a member of any of the peoples mentioned in Genesis 10:21–31 as descended from Shem, one of the sons of Noah, traditionally interpreted as including the Hebrews, Aramaeans, Assyrians, and Arabs."
My knowledge of Judaic law is slim to non-existent. My unwillingness to conflate Jewish supremacy as expressed by Zionism with Judaism stems from the interview by Miko Peled of the Rabbi Dovid Feldman (Jan 14 of this year), during which Feldman states that in Leviticus, Jews are exiled from Palestine because they broke with their covenant, and by the same law are forbidden from returning, at least in any role of ruling the land. And as I explored the issue of the creation of Zionism, I see that it was vociferously opposed by by the traditional Jewish establishment, mostly in Eastern Europe, during the late 1800's when Zionism's modern form, advocating the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine, was in the process of being created. And it's still strongly opposed and considered heretical by the Ultra-Orthodox Jewish community, of whom Rabbi Feldman is a member. I highly recommend the interview, and would be interested in hearing your take on it.
Demagogues and charlatans have historically hidden their agendas behind the cloak of various religions to commit the most heinous crimes imaginable. And devout scholars of those faiths have historically opposed them. To equate all Jews with Jewish supremacy or Zionism ignores the fact the most strident and effective resistance to this genocide happening in Gaza today, at least in this country, is being led by groups like Jewish Voice for Peace (full disclosure, I'm a member, though I'm allergic to organized religion), If Not Now, and the Orthodox Jewish community as personified by folks such as Rabbi Feldman. And to lump all Jews together does the folks I've just mentioned a great disservice and undermines their work for peace and justice in Palestine.
I'm a serious admirer of the work of Miko Peled, one of whose books, *The General's Son: Journey of an Israeli in Palestine*, has inspired me to believe that, by working across the lines of ethnicism, religion, national borders, and other fictitiously imposed divisions among humans, we can vanquish the ideas of white supremacy, Jewish supremacy, and other toxic elements of collective consciousness from our discourse. And if we don't vanquish these ideas, or at least deligitimize them, we're going to go extinct as a species.
Just an aside here: Chomsky is not against BDS. There is an interview with him where he says that he supports BDS. It is a video interview and those are his words.
The comments in this section have little to do with Chris Hedges interview and are filled with generalizations about Jews which are anti semetic, which as a Jew I find insulting and disgusting!
The reality is it is only the voice of people like you speaking clearly and courageously that will make for change. The challenge as I appreciate it is you are taught to tolerate a kid range of views within Judaism under the mantra of tolerance. Extremists of any form are generally incompatible with civil society in a multi-cultural setting.
I have to say this was a fascinating interview and I got some good insight.
However, IF you want to reach out to people in the US in particular you have to NOT speak 'down' to them.
I have NO idea what BDSM means. Spell it out. did work it out from the conversation but some will not.
I don't know if you academics are aware that we are inundated with acronyms To me it is a way of keeping people dumb.
IF you want to use acronyms: write them out before you start.OR get rid of them!
I live in a family of academics (I was the artist) I have been ignored mostly BUT there is absolutely NO doubt I have a lot more knowledge about daily life than an academic.
Been there/done this/know this.
It's BDS. Boycott Divest Sanction
Thank you.
BDSM is not , in fact , an acronym.
Follow through please?
Acronyms , just like antonyms, homonyms, eponyms, demonyms , etc , are words. You ,no doubt, are an American. You live in 'the USA'. Notice that you use the article, 'the' and also that you DONT pronounce USA as word. ie , you never say I live in 'yoosa'..'USA' is not a word , not an acronym. My friend works for THE UN. UN is not an acronym.Again, notice the article. UN is pronounced 'you en' if it were an acronym, ie , a word , it would be pronounced 'un' ( like 'sun' minus the S.) My friend's husband works for UNESCO. UNESCO is an acronym. His sister works for THE ( that pesky article again) FAO. It's pronounced ef ay o.Were it an acronym, he would say "I work for 'fow'. But he doesn't. Because FAO is NOT an acronym. Unlike 'UNESCO'..Send me a recording of you pronouncing 'LGBTQI ' as a word ( you can't) .Because it's not an acronym either.
I don't live in the US.
I was actually pointing out that people should spell them out.
Thank you.
"BDS" is, I think, an "initialism".
It seems that this problem is easy to resolve. De-couple the term “Jew” and Israel. Let “Jew” and “Jews” refer to people who practice Judaism. Since practicing Jews come from all over the world, the argument of a blood line or race is moot. Let Israel stand alone as its nationality and in all its actions on behalf of ISRAEL. NOT ON BEHALF OF “Jews”. and reserve the term “Jew” for those who actively practice Judaism. Then criticism of what Israel does - as it relates to atrocities , genocide, racism, apartheid, - won’t be connected to practicing jews or hidden behind a faith that is disconnect from it. And those practicing Judaism can disconnect from any criticism or action against ISRAEl because it’s no longer a part of their “identity”. I just can’t imagine any human wanting to be associated with the Israeli governments decision of genocide because they proclaim to be acting for all “Jews”. They don’t. Luckily, this is becoming more clear every single day.
There’s no need to argue about what Judaism is or isn’t. It deserves to be de-coupled with Israel who se current leaders could not care about the lives of those practicing Jews in Israel and certainly not anywhere else or about the lives of innocent human beings. The problem has never been Judaism. The problem is Israel. Zionism is an ideology picking from Judaism , Christianity to justify its ideology. It still. Just an ideology where as Judaism is a religion. Opposition to an ideology that cherry picks from religion to justify its ideology is not anti semetism. Opposition to Judaism , the place where the ideology is gathering its justification is anti semetism. This is not difficult. Decouple Israel from “Jew” and let criticism of Zionism remain open to its ideology as NOT anti semettic. Palestinians are SEMITES. GENOCIDE IS ANTI SEMETIC BY DEFINITION.
being lost and pretending you're found?...
with every manmade doctrine...
that builds walls around the soul...
it's harder for the heart and mind...
to know pure love and truth at all!...
it isn't as if some void exists...
that often ends up filled...
but rather it's the pathways there...
blocked off with say-so hills!...
how can someone understand...
when a barrier is preventing that?...
instead it follows its own intentions...
and may never know where it's really at!...
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Outstanding interview. Thank you so much. I will get Professor Magid's book. I am very worried for the fate of humanity, as, both Chris Hedges and Rabbi Shaul Magid make very clear, the trends are not exactly positive..