Alas, it existed long before it was exposed and to an extent unimaginable today.
The consistent violent films, Hollywood glorification of 'cops and robbers' has created a situation where subjectively the population not only understands that a warrant is not needed anymore as a way of invading privacy, and they have adopted the posture of 'lock em up' spread by the same Madison Ave. purveyors of misinformation.
Think of shows like Law and Order that glorified getting around the law, grilling suspects without Miranda rights or a lawyer.
The American mind is turned keyed to accept the atrocities commited before them.
Add to that they know little about the law or its processes, and you have a perfect storm for police violence.
George Jackson, a prisoner murdered in San Quentin by guards and the State wrote in Blood in my Eye:
"The purpose of the chief repressive institutions within
the totalitarian capitalist state is clearly to discourage and
prohibit certain activity, and the prohibitions are aimed at
very distinctly defined sectors of the class- and race-sensi-
tized society.
The ultimate expression of law is not order —
it's prison. There are hundreds upon hundreds of prisons,
and thousands upon thousands of laws, yet there is no social
order, no social peace. Anglo-Saxon bourgeois law is tied
firmly into economics.
One can even pick that out of those Vital Statistics. Bourgeois law protects property relations and not social relationships. The cultural traits of capitalist society that also tend to check activity — (individualism, ar-tificial politeness juxtaposed to an aloof rudeness, the rush to learn "how to" instead of “what is") — are secondary really, and intended for those mild cases (and groups) that require preventive measures only.
The law and everything that inter- locks with it was constructed for poor, desperate people like
Being at the wrong place, at the wrong time, and doing the wrong thing is what MAY get you killed by police. Being a big man is but one factor that additionally requires you to pass the "personality test" to avoid that extreme result when confronted by police. That's a reality that will never change---even if Section 1983 were to be judicially resurrected as a social standard of conduct for those in Blue (one can only dream). Deal with it accordingly.
WWII: The wrong place? Would that be America? The wrong time? That isn’t even an option, unless you freeze yourself and hope to wake up before either HAL or the ETs take control of the switch on your power supply. As to doing the wrong thing, I hear the police are turning up and shooting even the people who phone it in, nowadays, in one case a white woman who came out to greet the arriving patrol car; and a black man making a citizen’s arrest not long ago, having assumed instantly that he was the perpetrator. Protect and Serve yourself and your buddy. I just watched film of a police training officer telling his new recruits not to even turn up for training if they weren’t going to be putting their own and their buddy’s safety before that of the public.
Perhaps ammunition sales should be put on a premium to fund police. Finally when you’re down to your last affordable bullet in the gun, you might either start to live peacefully without firearms, or make the ultimate sacrifice for the Second Amendment.
Oh, "you heard" and "not long ago". Both bullshit qualifiers.
What was the place, date, and time of the black man getting shot for making a "citizens arrest"? Who was the black man arresting? Why was he making a citizens arrest? I doubt you can provide any substantial detail.
That said, police break the law every day. In my opinion, there should be no qualified immunity and they should follow the same laws that the rest of the public follows. Judgements involving the use of excessive force can be a close call. If you don't want to be involved in that type of situation, then I suggest you don't become a police officer... or don't come close to using excessive force. I've never heard of a cop being criminally tried and convicted for not preventing a crime for lack of using required force. Have you? If so, I challenge you to provide a verifiable example.
As for citizen arrests laws, they vary by jurisdiction and are generally allowed only involving misdemeanors where one is justified in keeping the peace. Bottom line is that it is a very dubious way of trying to keep the peace. It usually ends up not keeping the peace, but rather creating more trouble than it's worth. In my opinion, just like instances where individuals consider exercising their right to self defense, it's usually better to just vacate the scene of an possible altercation or crime. We pay the police handsomely for the work they do. They generally don't need your physical help to do it.
Hi, WWII, to answer your concerns, I regret that what I openly remarked that I had “heard” was not pinned down, but by noting that it was just something I heard, I was signalling that it hadn’t been checked out. It must have been on British radio or television news. I can’t now find reference to it in various forms of phrasing in a search on the internet, for a black man being shot by police while restraining someone for a crime and being mistaken for the criminal himself. I take it you’re not saying that couldn’t happen. Also, your other challenge related to something I made no comment on, whether or not a cop “had ever been criminally tried and convicted for not preventing a crime for lack of using required force”, so I don’t feel obliged to come up with anything on that; not least an interpretation of what you mean by “required force”. If you would like to elaborate on what you mean by being in the wrong place at the wrong time, I’d be pleased to hear it. There is a lot of that going on, but I won’t ask you for a list of the places and the times.
Of course you can't find facts to base up your claims. That because they are based on heresay which has nothing to do factual evidence. You seem to believe everything you hear. You might want to change that type of behavior if you want to be taken seriously on your claims to others.
Being in the wrong place at the wrong time should be self explanatory, but I''ll give you a specific example that occurred not much more than a month ago;
On May 1st, 2023 Daniel Penny killed Jordan Neely on a NYC subway train. Mr. Penny put Mr. Neely in a deadly, rear naked choke-hold while trying to implement his idea of a citizens arrest by restraining Neely from disturbing the peace on the train car. Mr. Penny, a former U.S. marine, is currently charged with 2nd degree manslaughter and will likely spend up to 10 years behind bars for his attempt at a citizens arrest. Police were notified of this altercation as it happened and tried to revive Mr. Neely, unsuccessfully at the scene of the crime. Mr. Neely is dead and Mr. Penny is out on a $100,000.00 bond. Clearly Mr. Neely was at the wrong place, at the wrong time. Further, I believe he was doing the wrong thing by disturbing the peace on a train car others felt trapped in. Had he been out on a public street during daylight hours displaying his alleged, eye witnessed behavior, I believe others would just have walked away from him and nobody would have died or be possibly going to jail. While Mr. Penny may be exonerated, I'm going to safely assume he does not relish having to hire attorney and post expensive bail money to justify his attempt at a citizens arrest. Again, a clear example of not only one, but two people being at the wrong place at the wrong time.
Ok hold on a second, WWII. Here In the UK we also have police who sum up loss of life through violent interactions as people being in the wrong place at the wrong time. The reason for my discomfort with your use of the phrase is that if people were to be civil toward each other in public and we’re not to go: “Oh yeah? Well analyse THIS!” and initiate violence, even if criticised for their behaviour, then most encounters will be survivable and there would be fewer places seen as the wrong place, and fewer times at which it is the wrong time to be anywhere in particular. One wonders whether some of the people who stood back and filmed George Floyd’s suffocation by police might not, in a culture less prone to shooting first, have been able to approach the police and even pull them away from him so as to save him. It’s pretty bad when an arrested man feels the need to beg the police not to kill him even as he is meekly submitting to having the cuffs put on, if I recall the footage correctly.
But while I acknowledge and applaud your higher level of precision in pinpointing specific instances in your historical references, as you have here with that tragic case, I should point out that there is a whole class of human experience of unusual or unfamiliar events which passes into society by word of mouth, a process which is by definition folklore. That does not mean that any of it can be deemed to be myth and beyond the rational pale, until some analysis has been done with cross-correlation through analysis of similar accounts. Events might happen to you or me which no-one would readily believe, but that doesn’t mean that because nobody else witnessed them and neither of us might be able to prove they had taken place, they can’t be discussed in public. So I feel you’re being a bit harsh asking me to change my behaviour, if whole classes of human experience might be shoved under the carpet and their causes disregarded because I’m supposed to find a way to run people’s memories through a 3D printer to prove that there’s a true solid fact, before I can use their account to build a mere notion of what is happening in the wider world. Cheers to you too!
USA a paranoid nation of Dirty Harry cops and MAGA Di Niro Taxi Drivers. "You looking at me Punk", "Go Ahead and Make My Day". The only answer MORE GUNS that fuel even more paranoia. Brutal rogue cops and prison guards is the filthy vein of American law and politics. Jack London's description of law and prison conditions when he was arrested for vagrancy should have led everyone to the same conclusion. But no the general public accepted that the poor and black have to be treated brutally along with anyone challenging the powers that be. Vagrancy laws were used to fill the chain gangs in the south, local sheriffs would round up anyone they wanted, clothing and skin color were signs of who would be targeted. Jack London described cops as "walking torture chambers". Their tools of trade were fists, boots, Billy-clubs, black jacks, whips and guns. Their arsenal called "tools" only got bigger along with qualified immunity.
Paul Krugman, when you mention, “Very Serious People”, I have to assume that you mean the very nervous ‘Billionaire Bastards’ — as defined and proven to be the money/power movers who control both of these duopoly parties and their facade of government.
As Ron Suskind, when he was reporting in "these 'TIMES' they are a-changing" hopefully now into a serious "paper of record", and when Ron hectored Karl Rove so viciously that he blurted-out:
Paul, lets cut to the chase the actual development of "The Quiet American" EMPIRE [apologies to Graham Greene] — IMHO, started in 1898 when Mark Twain was one of the founders and Vice Presidents of the 'American Anti-Imperialist League'.
A key point in the expansion of "The Quiet American" EMPIRE [Silent coup d'état] was executed by Dixiecrats and 'Big City Bosses' at the 1944 DNC Convention when FDR's brilliant VP, Henry Wallace, was cheered by 60+%, but physically blocked from taking the podium, with the session immediately adjourned and 'fixed' next day.
Here's my newest double-sided, ad-hoc, focus-group tested, and 65%+ favorable signs in Portland Maine & Portsmouth NH:
This actually originated in response to Bacon's Rebellion 1675-1677 when poor white settlers and black slaves joined together in opposition to the elites. The colony of Virginia enactedin 1705 what are referred to as the Slave Code. For minor offences, such as associating with whites, slaves would be whipped, branded, or maimed. That no slave go armed with gun, sword, club, staff, or other weapon, nor go from off the plantation and seat of land where such slave shall be appointed to live, without a certificate of leave in writing, for so doing, from his or her master, mistress, or overseer: And if any slave shall be found offending herein, it shall be lawful for any person or persons to apprehend and deliver such slave to the next constable or head-borough, who is hereby enjoined and required, without further order or warrant, to give such slave twenty lashes on his or her bare back, well laid on, and so send him or her home…
So any white man could be judge, jury, and executioner for any black person not one a white master's land, and was obligated to provide this police service.
I imagine that social injustices perpetrated upon slaves pre-dates that of the U.S. colonies. Probably pre-dates similar injustices incurred by slaves (black and white) during the Roman Empire which transpired at least a millennia before your example. The deprivation of rights ordinarily held by free persons (a practice otherwise know as slavery) is now considered immoral...and produces what most people now consider immoral (and now criminal) behavior. I don't believe your post has much relevance to the book produced by Ms. Schwartz. So what, exactly, is your point?
Deputy gangs arise out of the need for force to maintain social inequality. They epitomize the thuggery rampant in such “special bodies of armed men”—the apt description Engels and Lenin used for law enforcement agencies under bourgeois rule, which captures their essential role as defenders of capitalist exploitation.
The police only exist as a political apparatus to "serve and protect" the ruling class, the small ownership class. Increasingly, the police, funded nationally with $100 billion every year, have been integrated into their own military, armed with the most advanced weaponry of war.
Let's be clear: the police, the men and women themselves, are not a cross section of American life. Like the military, they are recruited from the most reactionary sections of the lower-middle class and politically backward workers and trained to hate and despise the poor and oppressed while maintaining subservience to authority and 'capital'.
The police are a hostile occupying force in every working-class neighborhood in the country. Many police recruits have served tours of duty in Iraq and Afghanistan, where they became indoctrinated into and/or inured to violence and death of the "other". They return home, psychologically battered, where many find new roles in local police departments littered with white supremacists.
I’m like cal lash, preferring to read rather than listen. To any & all interested in how socio-cultural phenomena like “abuse of power” is fostered & then tolerated, however, we Conspiracy Realist Educator Activist Truther Organizer Reader Socializers recommend #JordanHarper’s penetratingly incisive, ILLusion-bursting bibliotherapeutic crime novel #EverybodyKnows.
Let me remind your 82 year old mind that you are posting to public forum. That inherently involves more than writing to just Chris. Send him a letter or an email if you want to be private.
BTW, let your middle finger fly. Wouldn't bother me in the least.
Cops are the absolute worse. They lie and they do it with complete impunity. I’ve seen it first hand and had many, many abusive encounters with police as a former sex worker. It’s stunning what they are allowed to get away with and how their narrative is always believed in a court of law, in complete defiance of the truth. They’ve also convinced the general population that all sex work is controlled by abusive pimps, “human traffickers,” as they have astutely re-named them, which I have always felt is simply a ploy to garner sympathy since the victims of a “trafficker” are more likely to be white. Rather than address the underlying problems with a society that is very willing to pay a woman ten times more to take her clothes off than to keep them on, we demonize and criminalize the women in the industry.
As Chris Hedges has written elsewhere, we need to start investing in people and stop only investing in systems of control and oppression.
Here’s the article of which you said that “of course” I couldn’t find it because my comment was based on hearsay. The date and source you insisted I provide instead of my “bullshit qualifier” that I’d heard this story is also here. My point: not all folklore is myth; if I said I heard it, it means only that it’s at second hand, not that it’s necessarily false or invented. ‘Hope you are less dismissive with the next guy who says he heard something, but I suppose it’s your prerogative to chase them around for dates and places.
Nov.13 2018, NPR news
When police arrived after reports of a shooting over the weekend at a bar outside Chicago, witnesses say Jemel Roberson, a 26-year-old security guard who worked there, had already subdued the alleged assailant in the parking lot, pinning him to the ground.
Adam Harris, who was at Manny's Blue Bar in Robbins at the time of the incident on Sunday, told WGN-TV that Roberson was holding "somebody on the ground with his knee in his back, with his gun in his back" when officers from neighboring Midlothian got there early Sunday.
Midlothian Police Chief Daniel Delaney said that's when one of his officers "encountered a subject with a gun" and shot him, according to a statement given to the media.
But the "subject" was Roberson, not the suspect in the bar shooting.
On Tuesday, Illinois State Police issued a statement saying that "a Midlothian Police Officer encountered a subject in plain black clothing with no markings readily identifying him as a Security Guard, armed with a gun in the west parking lot."
As Ron Suskind hectored Karl Rove into blurting-out this truth:
"That's not how it works now. We're an Empire Now”
NYT, 10/17/2004 Check the Quote in "these 'TIMES' they are a-changing" [hopefully].
In 2024 it will be 20 years in which Suskind exposed "The Quiet American" EMPIRE.
Apologies to Graham Greene.
Alas, it existed long before it was exposed and to an extent unimaginable today.
The consistent violent films, Hollywood glorification of 'cops and robbers' has created a situation where subjectively the population not only understands that a warrant is not needed anymore as a way of invading privacy, and they have adopted the posture of 'lock em up' spread by the same Madison Ave. purveyors of misinformation.
Think of shows like Law and Order that glorified getting around the law, grilling suspects without Miranda rights or a lawyer.
The American mind is turned keyed to accept the atrocities commited before them.
Add to that they know little about the law or its processes, and you have a perfect storm for police violence.
George Jackson, a prisoner murdered in San Quentin by guards and the State wrote in Blood in my Eye:
"The purpose of the chief repressive institutions within
the totalitarian capitalist state is clearly to discourage and
prohibit certain activity, and the prohibitions are aimed at
very distinctly defined sectors of the class- and race-sensi-
tized society.
The ultimate expression of law is not order —
it's prison. There are hundreds upon hundreds of prisons,
and thousands upon thousands of laws, yet there is no social
order, no social peace. Anglo-Saxon bourgeois law is tied
firmly into economics.
One can even pick that out of those Vital Statistics. Bourgeois law protects property relations and not social relationships. The cultural traits of capitalist society that also tend to check activity — (individualism, ar-tificial politeness juxtaposed to an aloof rudeness, the rush to learn "how to" instead of “what is") — are secondary really, and intended for those mild cases (and groups) that require preventive measures only.
The law and everything that inter- locks with it was constructed for poor, desperate people like
me."
https://archive.org/details/GeorgeJacksonBloodInMyEye_201512
Thank you.
Just being a big man is enough to get you killed. What a horror show.
No, it's not.
Being at the wrong place, at the wrong time, and doing the wrong thing is what MAY get you killed by police. Being a big man is but one factor that additionally requires you to pass the "personality test" to avoid that extreme result when confronted by police. That's a reality that will never change---even if Section 1983 were to be judicially resurrected as a social standard of conduct for those in Blue (one can only dream). Deal with it accordingly.
WWII: The wrong place? Would that be America? The wrong time? That isn’t even an option, unless you freeze yourself and hope to wake up before either HAL or the ETs take control of the switch on your power supply. As to doing the wrong thing, I hear the police are turning up and shooting even the people who phone it in, nowadays, in one case a white woman who came out to greet the arriving patrol car; and a black man making a citizen’s arrest not long ago, having assumed instantly that he was the perpetrator. Protect and Serve yourself and your buddy. I just watched film of a police training officer telling his new recruits not to even turn up for training if they weren’t going to be putting their own and their buddy’s safety before that of the public.
Perhaps ammunition sales should be put on a premium to fund police. Finally when you’re down to your last affordable bullet in the gun, you might either start to live peacefully without firearms, or make the ultimate sacrifice for the Second Amendment.
Oh, "you heard" and "not long ago". Both bullshit qualifiers.
What was the place, date, and time of the black man getting shot for making a "citizens arrest"? Who was the black man arresting? Why was he making a citizens arrest? I doubt you can provide any substantial detail.
That said, police break the law every day. In my opinion, there should be no qualified immunity and they should follow the same laws that the rest of the public follows. Judgements involving the use of excessive force can be a close call. If you don't want to be involved in that type of situation, then I suggest you don't become a police officer... or don't come close to using excessive force. I've never heard of a cop being criminally tried and convicted for not preventing a crime for lack of using required force. Have you? If so, I challenge you to provide a verifiable example.
As for citizen arrests laws, they vary by jurisdiction and are generally allowed only involving misdemeanors where one is justified in keeping the peace. Bottom line is that it is a very dubious way of trying to keep the peace. It usually ends up not keeping the peace, but rather creating more trouble than it's worth. In my opinion, just like instances where individuals consider exercising their right to self defense, it's usually better to just vacate the scene of an possible altercation or crime. We pay the police handsomely for the work they do. They generally don't need your physical help to do it.
Hi, WWII, to answer your concerns, I regret that what I openly remarked that I had “heard” was not pinned down, but by noting that it was just something I heard, I was signalling that it hadn’t been checked out. It must have been on British radio or television news. I can’t now find reference to it in various forms of phrasing in a search on the internet, for a black man being shot by police while restraining someone for a crime and being mistaken for the criminal himself. I take it you’re not saying that couldn’t happen. Also, your other challenge related to something I made no comment on, whether or not a cop “had ever been criminally tried and convicted for not preventing a crime for lack of using required force”, so I don’t feel obliged to come up with anything on that; not least an interpretation of what you mean by “required force”. If you would like to elaborate on what you mean by being in the wrong place at the wrong time, I’d be pleased to hear it. There is a lot of that going on, but I won’t ask you for a list of the places and the times.
Of course you can't find facts to base up your claims. That because they are based on heresay which has nothing to do factual evidence. You seem to believe everything you hear. You might want to change that type of behavior if you want to be taken seriously on your claims to others.
Being in the wrong place at the wrong time should be self explanatory, but I''ll give you a specific example that occurred not much more than a month ago;
On May 1st, 2023 Daniel Penny killed Jordan Neely on a NYC subway train. Mr. Penny put Mr. Neely in a deadly, rear naked choke-hold while trying to implement his idea of a citizens arrest by restraining Neely from disturbing the peace on the train car. Mr. Penny, a former U.S. marine, is currently charged with 2nd degree manslaughter and will likely spend up to 10 years behind bars for his attempt at a citizens arrest. Police were notified of this altercation as it happened and tried to revive Mr. Neely, unsuccessfully at the scene of the crime. Mr. Neely is dead and Mr. Penny is out on a $100,000.00 bond. Clearly Mr. Neely was at the wrong place, at the wrong time. Further, I believe he was doing the wrong thing by disturbing the peace on a train car others felt trapped in. Had he been out on a public street during daylight hours displaying his alleged, eye witnessed behavior, I believe others would just have walked away from him and nobody would have died or be possibly going to jail. While Mr. Penny may be exonerated, I'm going to safely assume he does not relish having to hire attorney and post expensive bail money to justify his attempt at a citizens arrest. Again, a clear example of not only one, but two people being at the wrong place at the wrong time.
Cheers!
Ok hold on a second, WWII. Here In the UK we also have police who sum up loss of life through violent interactions as people being in the wrong place at the wrong time. The reason for my discomfort with your use of the phrase is that if people were to be civil toward each other in public and we’re not to go: “Oh yeah? Well analyse THIS!” and initiate violence, even if criticised for their behaviour, then most encounters will be survivable and there would be fewer places seen as the wrong place, and fewer times at which it is the wrong time to be anywhere in particular. One wonders whether some of the people who stood back and filmed George Floyd’s suffocation by police might not, in a culture less prone to shooting first, have been able to approach the police and even pull them away from him so as to save him. It’s pretty bad when an arrested man feels the need to beg the police not to kill him even as he is meekly submitting to having the cuffs put on, if I recall the footage correctly.
But while I acknowledge and applaud your higher level of precision in pinpointing specific instances in your historical references, as you have here with that tragic case, I should point out that there is a whole class of human experience of unusual or unfamiliar events which passes into society by word of mouth, a process which is by definition folklore. That does not mean that any of it can be deemed to be myth and beyond the rational pale, until some analysis has been done with cross-correlation through analysis of similar accounts. Events might happen to you or me which no-one would readily believe, but that doesn’t mean that because nobody else witnessed them and neither of us might be able to prove they had taken place, they can’t be discussed in public. So I feel you’re being a bit harsh asking me to change my behaviour, if whole classes of human experience might be shoved under the carpet and their causes disregarded because I’m supposed to find a way to run people’s memories through a 3D printer to prove that there’s a true solid fact, before I can use their account to build a mere notion of what is happening in the wider world. Cheers to you too!
USA a paranoid nation of Dirty Harry cops and MAGA Di Niro Taxi Drivers. "You looking at me Punk", "Go Ahead and Make My Day". The only answer MORE GUNS that fuel even more paranoia. Brutal rogue cops and prison guards is the filthy vein of American law and politics. Jack London's description of law and prison conditions when he was arrested for vagrancy should have led everyone to the same conclusion. But no the general public accepted that the poor and black have to be treated brutally along with anyone challenging the powers that be. Vagrancy laws were used to fill the chain gangs in the south, local sheriffs would round up anyone they wanted, clothing and skin color were signs of who would be targeted. Jack London described cops as "walking torture chambers". Their tools of trade were fists, boots, Billy-clubs, black jacks, whips and guns. Their arsenal called "tools" only got bigger along with qualified immunity.
Long version to NYT comment:
Paul Krugman, when you mention, “Very Serious People”, I have to assume that you mean the very nervous ‘Billionaire Bastards’ — as defined and proven to be the money/power movers who control both of these duopoly parties and their facade of government.
As Ron Suskind, when he was reporting in "these 'TIMES' they are a-changing" hopefully now into a serious "paper of record", and when Ron hectored Karl Rove so viciously that he blurted-out:
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=Ron+Suskind+hectoring+Karl+Rove+into+saying+"We're+an+EMPIRE+now"&atb=v187-1&iax=images&ia=images&iai=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.azquotes.com%2Fpicture-quotes%2Fquote-we-re-an-empire-now-and-when-we-act-we-create-our-own-reality-and-while-you-re-studying-karl-rove-64-63-73.jpg
Paul, lets cut to the chase the actual development of "The Quiet American" EMPIRE [apologies to Graham Greene] — IMHO, started in 1898 when Mark Twain was one of the founders and Vice Presidents of the 'American Anti-Imperialist League'.
A key point in the expansion of "The Quiet American" EMPIRE [Silent coup d'état] was executed by Dixiecrats and 'Big City Bosses' at the 1944 DNC Convention when FDR's brilliant VP, Henry Wallace, was cheered by 60+%, but physically blocked from taking the podium, with the session immediately adjourned and 'fixed' next day.
Here's my newest double-sided, ad-hoc, focus-group tested, and 65%+ favorable signs in Portland Maine & Portsmouth NH:
INEQUALITY
CAUSED BY
BILLIONAIRE
BASTARDS
This actually originated in response to Bacon's Rebellion 1675-1677 when poor white settlers and black slaves joined together in opposition to the elites. The colony of Virginia enactedin 1705 what are referred to as the Slave Code. For minor offences, such as associating with whites, slaves would be whipped, branded, or maimed. That no slave go armed with gun, sword, club, staff, or other weapon, nor go from off the plantation and seat of land where such slave shall be appointed to live, without a certificate of leave in writing, for so doing, from his or her master, mistress, or overseer: And if any slave shall be found offending herein, it shall be lawful for any person or persons to apprehend and deliver such slave to the next constable or head-borough, who is hereby enjoined and required, without further order or warrant, to give such slave twenty lashes on his or her bare back, well laid on, and so send him or her home…
So any white man could be judge, jury, and executioner for any black person not one a white master's land, and was obligated to provide this police service.
I imagine that social injustices perpetrated upon slaves pre-dates that of the U.S. colonies. Probably pre-dates similar injustices incurred by slaves (black and white) during the Roman Empire which transpired at least a millennia before your example. The deprivation of rights ordinarily held by free persons (a practice otherwise know as slavery) is now considered immoral...and produces what most people now consider immoral (and now criminal) behavior. I don't believe your post has much relevance to the book produced by Ms. Schwartz. So what, exactly, is your point?
IF you are deaf like me.......HOW am I supposed to listen to a 'podcast' with no subtitles?
Deputy gangs arise out of the need for force to maintain social inequality. They epitomize the thuggery rampant in such “special bodies of armed men”—the apt description Engels and Lenin used for law enforcement agencies under bourgeois rule, which captures their essential role as defenders of capitalist exploitation.
1st: WHO becomes a police officer/prison guard?
2nd: What tests/debates/knowledge about different races do they have?
The very fact that one police officer can be expelled then find a job in another state is insane.
This is NOT a Police force it is an army of bully's and cowards.
The police only exist as a political apparatus to "serve and protect" the ruling class, the small ownership class. Increasingly, the police, funded nationally with $100 billion every year, have been integrated into their own military, armed with the most advanced weaponry of war.
Let's be clear: the police, the men and women themselves, are not a cross section of American life. Like the military, they are recruited from the most reactionary sections of the lower-middle class and politically backward workers and trained to hate and despise the poor and oppressed while maintaining subservience to authority and 'capital'.
The police are a hostile occupying force in every working-class neighborhood in the country. Many police recruits have served tours of duty in Iraq and Afghanistan, where they became indoctrinated into and/or inured to violence and death of the "other". They return home, psychologically battered, where many find new roles in local police departments littered with white supremacists.
Bravo, JBS. I think you just re-defined the term "police force".
I’m like cal lash, preferring to read rather than listen. To any & all interested in how socio-cultural phenomena like “abuse of power” is fostered & then tolerated, however, we Conspiracy Realist Educator Activist Truther Organizer Reader Socializers recommend #JordanHarper’s penetratingly incisive, ILLusion-bursting bibliotherapeutic crime novel #EverybodyKnows.
Thank You.
I dont do podcasts.
I just read
...and post to podcasts.
I thought it went to Chris.
Please excuse me.
Ill try and restrain my 82 year old
single typing middle finger
Let me remind your 82 year old mind that you are posting to public forum. That inherently involves more than writing to just Chris. Send him a letter or an email if you want to be private.
BTW, let your middle finger fly. Wouldn't bother me in the least.
WWll
Thanks.
Im gone.
Cops are the absolute worse. They lie and they do it with complete impunity. I’ve seen it first hand and had many, many abusive encounters with police as a former sex worker. It’s stunning what they are allowed to get away with and how their narrative is always believed in a court of law, in complete defiance of the truth. They’ve also convinced the general population that all sex work is controlled by abusive pimps, “human traffickers,” as they have astutely re-named them, which I have always felt is simply a ploy to garner sympathy since the victims of a “trafficker” are more likely to be white. Rather than address the underlying problems with a society that is very willing to pay a woman ten times more to take her clothes off than to keep them on, we demonize and criminalize the women in the industry.
As Chris Hedges has written elsewhere, we need to start investing in people and stop only investing in systems of control and oppression.
Dear WWII,
Here’s the article of which you said that “of course” I couldn’t find it because my comment was based on hearsay. The date and source you insisted I provide instead of my “bullshit qualifier” that I’d heard this story is also here. My point: not all folklore is myth; if I said I heard it, it means only that it’s at second hand, not that it’s necessarily false or invented. ‘Hope you are less dismissive with the next guy who says he heard something, but I suppose it’s your prerogative to chase them around for dates and places.
Nov.13 2018, NPR news
When police arrived after reports of a shooting over the weekend at a bar outside Chicago, witnesses say Jemel Roberson, a 26-year-old security guard who worked there, had already subdued the alleged assailant in the parking lot, pinning him to the ground.
Adam Harris, who was at Manny's Blue Bar in Robbins at the time of the incident on Sunday, told WGN-TV that Roberson was holding "somebody on the ground with his knee in his back, with his gun in his back" when officers from neighboring Midlothian got there early Sunday.
Midlothian Police Chief Daniel Delaney said that's when one of his officers "encountered a subject with a gun" and shot him, according to a statement given to the media.
But the "subject" was Roberson, not the suspect in the bar shooting.
On Tuesday, Illinois State Police issued a statement saying that "a Midlothian Police Officer encountered a subject in plain black clothing with no markings readily identifying him as a Security Guard, armed with a gun in the west parking lot."
...and I'm flattered by the personalized salutation. Auf wiedersehen.
Unable to find Professor Joanna Schwartz's book "Shielded: How Police Became Untouchable"
online.
Try looking just a little harder than not at all. It's actually very easy to find.