The televised spectacle of the January 6th hearings will not restore democracy or halt the rise of the far right. The hearings are a desperate ploy by a doomed political class.
Thanks for this article. Now I don't feel quite so alone in my withdrawal from politics. I just don't belong anywhere now except outside what is going on.
I disagree with your conclusion. This article should drive you to participate in overthrowing this corrupt and rotten system. Abdication amounts to collusion in my book.
Hold on there a second. I wouldn't let a few controlling rotten apples lead you to believe its time to toss out the whole apple cart. In my opinion, the functioning Republic framed and established by our founding Fathers is about as good as it gets. Problem is apathy set in along the way and the people allowed the responsibility for keeping it the hands of a corrupt few. Mostly likely an all too comfortable relationship with capitalism experienced during the haydays of our growth spawned that apathy. In turn, oligarchs siezed control during thee times of apathy and within the past 75 years have bought a controlling share of government. IMO it doesn't mean its impossible to take that responsibility back. I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water...yet.
BTW, what's your suggestion for an alternative after an overthrow? Even if you envision a better ideal (let's hear it) getting there through anarchy is, IMO, a highly questionable proposition. Even the revolutionaries of the U.S. had an ocean of distance between those they sought to overthrow literally (the Atlantic) and philosophically (Monarchy vs Republic). We no longer have that benefit. In our case (as you've surmised with the word "corruption") the devil is within.
Moral panics created by "progressives", echoes of 1880s Victorian moralism and missionary tendencies (at the end of the industrial revolution), were used by internationalists like Woodrow Wilson to destroy the USA, as it was originally set up.
The USA is now little more than a shell that is used by globalists to destroy the middle class and stop populist resistance to the imposition of Neo-feudalism.
Insane "leftists" like Zaremba are delusional and clueless, lost in absurdly outmoded, toxic ideological echo chambers (controlled opposition).
That's exactly where the establishment wants you to be. From their perspective: mission accomplished! Where (and from whom) have we heard that in the recent past?
... At first, when a new form arises, it has subversive effects on the old order, before it has additive effects that lead to a new order.
[--->] Bad actors may prove initially more adept than good actors at using a new form
— e.g., ancient warlords, medieval pirates and smugglers, and today’s information-age terrorists being examples that correspond to the +I, +M, and +N transitions, respectively. As each form takes hold,
[--->] energizing a distinct set of values and norms for actors operating in that form,
it generates a new realm of activity — for example, the state, the market. As a new realm gains legitimacy and expands the space it occupies within a social system, it puts new limits on the scope of existing realms. At the same time, through feedback and other interactions, the rise of a new form/realm also modifies the nature of the existing ones.
[--->] ... Societies that can elevate the bright over the dark side of each form and achieve a new combination become more powerful and capable of complex tasks than societies that do not.
Societies that first succeed at making a new combination gain advantages over competitors and attain a paramount influence over the nature of international conflict and cooperation. If a major power finds itself stymied by the effort to achieve a new combination, it risks being superseded.
... A people’s adaptability to the rise of a new form appears to depend largely on the local nature of the tribal form. It may have profound effects on what happens as the later forms get added. For example, the tribal form has unfolded differently in China and in America. Whereas the former has long revolved around extended family ties, clans, and dynasties, the latter has relied on the nuclear family, heavy immigration, and a fabric of fraternal organizations that provide quasi-kinship ties (e.g., from the open Rotary Club to the closed Ku Klux Klan). These differences at the tribal level have given unique shapes to each nation’s institutional and market forms, to their ideas about progress, and, now, to their adaptability to the rise of networked NGOs.
...
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re: "Societies that can elevate the bright over the dark side of each form"
Note that that construct will itself be frequently rejected by postmoderns because the idea of "bright over the dark" carries mythic values ("good over evil"). They can only do so by ignoring the part of the construct about increasing complexity.
Thus, postmodern values become aligned with psychological, spiritual and social disorder, and postmodern radical extremists (the cultural-left) openly embrace disorder and "nebulousity" (the rejection of ALL PATTERNS in nature, including math, logic and rational objectivity). 2+2=5.
Also note that radical extremism highly correlates to mental illness.
So, the combination of increasing complexity, mental illness, political and social radical-extremism and postmodernism typically results in severe disorder/chaos, fragility, disruption, pathology and corruption, especially, but not exclusively on the cultural-left.
Matt Taibbi has documented numerous cases of such postmodern social pathology, see his article archive. Here is a similar recent case that exposes social pathology/toxicity on the cultural-left:
Correct. There is a war between factions of the power elites. The "Virtuals" (tech oligarchs and the cultural-left) are seeking to reduce the "Physical" (working) classes, the people involved in the physical production of goods in the industrial and consumer economies, to the status of peasants in a Neo-feudal, ILLIBERAL "Global" society, ASAP.
Deep dive into the structure of the competing power elites:
What Curtis Yarvin (Mencius Moldbug) Gets Right and Wrong
BY KEITH PRESTON ON DECEMBER 6, 2021
What Yarvin offers ... is a high-quality and reasonably accurate analysis of the socio-cultural and political role of the technocratic class, or what has been variously called the “Brahmins” (Thomas Piketty), “New Class” (Irving Kristol), “New Clerisy” (Joel Kotkin), “Professional-Managerial Class” (Barbara Ehrenreich), or merely the “Cultural Elite” (the Pat Buchanan types).
Yarvin is mostly regurgitating the same critique of these sectors that “conservatives” of different kinds have been expressing for generations. He’s right that this sector first became influential during the Progressive Era, and have their roots in the Prussian-model public administration state that was imported into the USA largely by intellectuals and academics with degrees from German universities in the late 19th/early 20th century.
Like other similar thinkers (for example, Michael Anton or the recently deceased Angelo Codevilla) these types of critics mistakenly conflate the “Brahmins” with the entirety of the ruling class.
... Yarvin cites Burnham as an influence, but he misses one of Burnham’s core insights, i.e. that
[->] classical liberal-bourgeois capitalism was superseded by managerial capitalism,
not just in the US but in all developed countries, in the mid-20th century, and it was through the entrenchment of managerial capitalism that the Brahmins were able to obtain the hegemonic social and cultural role they have since achieved.
Also, the
[->] managerial class was faced with an insurgency within its own ranks
in the postwar period which paralleled the
[->] expansion of the professional class,
particularly within the public sector during the same time period (recognizing this was one of the things Irving Kristol got right).
Another critical factor is that the postwar “Information Age” created the framework for both classical bourgeois capitalism and managerial capitalism to be
[->] superseded by digital capitalism
...
The traditional financial establishment faced an intra-ruling class challenge during the late 20th century from the insurgent Sunbelt industries that emerged in the postwar period (whose political frontmen were figures like Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan, and Newt Gingrich). But the northeastern financial establishment has been able to launch a largely successful counterattack through its
[->] alliance with digital capitalism against traditional industrial capitalism and with the Brahmins against the sinking traditional middle class to upper-middle class (Chamber of Commerce types, small capital, the petite bourgeoisie, etc.).
... Additionally, the “woke” ideology (what I call “totalitarian humanism”) that presently constitutes the self-legitimating ideological superstructure of the ruling class is not the sole creation of the Brahmins alone.
[->] Every ideological superstructure has a materialist base and class base
(which in the case of totalitarian humanism would be digital capital, the tech revolution, “financialization” of the kind that has emerged from neoliberalism, the expanded technocratic class which is the product of the wider degree of specialization and the division of labor rooted in increased technological sophistication).
Additionally, “wokeness” is rooted in the wider infrastructure of statecraft which can be traced, at the irreducible minimum, to the collusion between the Frankfurt School and the OSS during WW2, followed by the CIA’s creation of the Congress of Cultural Freedom in the 1950s. While elements of the ideological framework of totalitarian humanism may have their roots in the cultural revolution of the 1960s/1970s, in its present form “wokeness” represents a co-optation of those cultural patterns by the liberal wing of the capitalist class ( a specific strategy that was devised by Fred Dutton as far back as 1970).
It's not only the 'far right' who believe that vaccines can sometimes cause autism, or indeed that EMF pollution and the Covid vaccines etc etc present risks to health. It's also people like me - left-wing environmental activists who believe that our unfettered, capitalist-driven technological progress and our technocratic solutions to our environmental, social and health crises are doomed to failure. I resent being lumped in with 'far-right' conspiracy theorists - a simple and false way of marginalising the common sense views of people, mainly women, who stand for a sane relationship with the planet, it's miraculous complex ecology and the sentient beings that inhabit it. I'm also grateful to you, Chris, for being mostly excellent.
Well, if politics makes for strange bedfellows, so does the anti-vax movement. But if you find yourself allied with nutcases, maybe you ought to rethink your own ideas.
Calling people labels like nutcases reveals close-mindedness and an unwillingness to engage in dialogue. Shouldn't we all be rethinking our ideas all the time in dialogue with others and changing reality? The Luddites of the 1800s in England were called nutcases too, but time has proved them right - pollution, climate-change etc. Some people think profit-driven technological progress is 'inevitable', especially in the field of 'health', and maybe you're one of them, Rob, but in the 1800s, as now, there were/are many possible paths to a better life for all. Surely that better future can only come about through dialogue, with investigation of multiple options i.e. real democracy - which didn't happen when vaccines were touted as the only solution to the pandemic and forced on the population. No wonder the 'far-right' jumped up and grabbed the opportunity to further their mixed-up agendas.
My position on vaccines has nothing to do with profit. Vaccines have prevented hundreds of millions of deaths and disabilities over the years due to diseases ranging from smallpox to polio. With regard to COVID-19, unvaccinated individuals in the United States currently comprise approximately 75% of those who die or require hospitalization. This is a fact, not a fabrication. People who deny hard facts need to step back and reevaluate their understanding of reality.
I completely support the right of people to choose to be vaccinated and I agree that vaccines have been a huge boon for illnesses like polio and small pox. I'm not 'anti-vax'. However, I don't agree with coercing people to take a vaccine. My argument is that such coercion, as an ethical infringement of human rights (the right to choose whether or not to accept a medical procedure) created an injustice and a grievance which the 'far right' has been able to profit from. Surely informing people properly and allowing a public scientific discourse about vaccines vs/plus treatments for Covid and trusting people (with their physicians) to make a wise choice in the light of their health status, age etc would have been the appropriate response in democratic countries. It's a shame you use the term 'hard' facts - no such thing in this complicated situation!
So, such things as hard facts do exist. "Facts" and superior models of reality do exist. Now the interpretation of facts and their application is subject to different human perspectives.
Imagine the following thought experiment. It is your right not to be vaccinated for whooping cough. Imagine I have a grandchild who is less than the age necessary for vaccination. For some reason or other you happen to be in contact with that child and you are already infected with whooping cough. The child gets whooping cough and dies. Case tracking and DNA sequencing demonstrate that the infecting strain that killed my grandchild came from you.
Do I have the right to sue you for every cent of your property? Do I have the right to take you to court for malfeasance? Of course, you did not intend to infect my grandchild and you certainly did not intend them to become ill and die. You did, however, because it is your right, decide not to be vaccinated.
Perhaps you consider this a fantasy and in some ways it is a conflation of improbable events. Nevertheless, children died from measles, whooping cough, polio, etc. They died in vast numbers.
Your argument is pure sophistry. I said that Covid vaccines reduce the risk of severe disease and death from Covid-19 infections. That is a hard fact, as has been shown in numerous studies and can be seen in daily statistics from public health agencies. It has nothing to do with parsing responsibility for transmitting the virus. That sort of "interpretation" is intended to distract from the essential reality that vaccines work. They are not perfect, but perfection is not required for them to be massively useful.
I agree that requiring vaccination is an infringement upon individual rights, and I would be against such coercion, if the decision not to be vaccinated only affected the individual making it. But that isn't the case, as people carrying the Covid-19 virus can transmit it to others, and people who become seriously ill from Covid-19 are at risk of dying. Also, serious illness places a tremendous burden upon society's health care system. Thus, the repercussions of unchecked infections creates a moral imperative to consider the welfare of others, not simply our own personal agency.
The fact is that we relinquish some of our individual liberties all the time for the sake of public welfare. Think of drivers licenses, building permits and inspections, prescription drugs and many other examples. Virtually all of us accept these limits on liberty as a matter of course, because they make sense. Why should vaccination against communicable diseases be placed in a separate category? I am old enough to remember the public panic during the polio epidemics of mid-twentieth century. When a vaccine was finally created, no one refused to have their children vaccinated. That would have been considered both stupid and irresponsible. Nowadays, few people have a personal memory of polio, and no one remembers smallpox, which killed 500 million people worldwide IN THE TWENTIETH CENTURY ALONE before it was eradicated in the 1950s by a widespread vaccination effort. That effort succeeded, because there was no campaign against it based on self-aggrandizing principles or ideology.
Telling people they are close minded is just "projection".
You have already made some grossly absurd claims about what "science" is that reveal that you are just memetically replicating emotive narratives and calling it "science".
I dunno, during the runup to the GFC the people who were insisting that the economy was not functioning normally were nutbars. as in "Jews and Masons have teamed up to corner the orange juice futures markets using mental telepathy!" nutbars.
Responsible, respectable, credentialed people who were paid inordinate sums for their expertise on financial matters were insisting that everything was normal, that the Emperor was wearing a Zegna suit of a conservative stripe and that everything really was different this time.
If you are anti-science, you are also anti-Enlightenment, which means you probably support the vacuous realm of post-modernism. I am a woman and I support science over superstition and quackery.
I'm interested in science too - as an enlightening process for investigating reality, not a set of beliefs (which would be a religion). I support a scientific discourse too and abhor the claims made by some that they represent 'THE science'. The enlightening process of science must involve dialogue, humility on the part of those doing the investigating (cognisant of our/their relative ignorance in the face the exquisite complexity of nature ), and an ethical, philosophical framework based on what enhances and supports the betterment of people and the integrity of nature. This framework has often been abandoned in favour of the profit motive and the requirements of an insatiable military-industrial complex. Cynical labels like 'quackery' need to be accompanied by a cogent argument - or, preferably, just the cogent argument. Then you can have a proper democratic, scientific discourse.
Your inability to do meta-narrative analysis of your own cognitive biases and how the form your ideology is a sign that you don't actually understand "science".
Cherry picking facts to fit a narrative is not real science.
Don't do what you criticize the establishment of doing.
we have been in this place before, in 1775, in 1860, in 1932, we had the Founders, Lincoln, and FDR to pull us out of it, people around whom many in the nation could gather. People that were on the whole honorable, that served something good outside themselves. Whatever their failings, they believed in something larger and better for all of us. I don't see anyone on the horizon now that can do that for us. Chris articulates the problem and situation very well. I worry about civil war, about world war, about complete collapse, about what rage unleashed looks like when a system breaks. Every time, the solution represents certain ideals and pulls us back from the brink. Every time, the rich and the corporatists ignore the lessons and begin again to destroy the system to gain more money and power. And eventually here we are again. It is tiresome, filled with the sound of weeping, and terribly frightening. As Alice Walker said once, long ago, "If it is true that you reap what you sow, then our country is in deep, deep trouble."
FDR only instituted the New Deal to save capitalism, because he knew that if he didn't give the working class some assistance, they would string him up, along with all the bankers. He was smart enough to realize this. When it came time to get into WWII, he used every trick in the book to get the U.S. to go to war, even to the point of doing to Japan what NATO did to Russia - provoked them into attacking the U.S. naval base at Pearl Harbor.
Seek psychiatric treatment. You are deeply brainwashed by absurd propaganda.
The radical labor movement's quasi-civil-war with industrialists ended by 1915. Labor unions were then given increasing legal rights, which brought them into the establishment, same as other industrialized countries that coopted labor movements to discourage communism.
Your psychotic delusion that violent ILLIBERAL communism was ever going to prevail in a historically LIBERAL society with an increasingly literate, educated "middle" class is beyond absurd. By WW2 the world had already seen the mass horror caused by insane communists and other psychotic ILLIBERAL kooks on the far left like you, and had little interest in it.
In fact after the labor movement rejected ILLIBERAL COMMUNISM (class war), living conditions for the working classes continued to rise spectacularly for a generation, at which point the intellectual left STARTED THROWING THE WORKING CLASS UNDER THE BUS due to the spread of postmodernism, neo-marxism, feminism and identity politics through the cultural-left and "progressive" politics.
The Japanese EMPIRE had already committed widespread war crimes, enslaving and killing 100,000s of civilians in the year before Pearl Harbor. Stopping their further military expansion by cutting their supplies of oil and other raw materials needed for their IMPERIALIST PROJECTS AND WAR CRIMES was inevitably going to provoke a military response.
Again, you are profoundly mentally ill, and brainwashed by absurd propaganda.
You are a perfect example of the idiocy, psychosis and dysfunction on the "left", and why the "left" is incapable of accomplishing anything other than promoting more psychosis and self-loathing.
So I suppose that Japan annexing Manchuria, invading China, and murdering millions of people prior to the outbreak of Pearl Harbor was perfectly fine with you. Good thing that individuals such as yourself had no decision making ability during the 20th century.
"When it came time to get into WWII, he used every trick in the book to get the U.S. to go to war, even to the point of doing to Japan what NATO did to Russia - provoked them into attacking the U.S. naval base at Pearl Harbor."
The US cutoff oil to Japan; however, Japan was waging aggressive and very deliberate war in Manchuria and coastal China. Japan entered Manchuria in 1931. It began its invasion of China in July 1937. Prior to the attack on Pearl Harbor, Germany, Japan, and Italy had created the Tripartate Pact in September of 1940. By this time, Germany had invaded France. In June 1941, Germany invaded Russia.
In July of 1941, the Japanese took over airfields in Indochina from the French. This was obviously for military purposes. The US embargoed oil to Japan in August of 1941.
You are conflating the actions of the US in 1941 with the Ukraine. Do you serious think the situations are the same? Should the US have just passively stood by and allowed Japan to consolidate its position in Asia? Meanwhile during this period, both German and Japanese scientists were aware of nuclear fission. This was public information available from a 1939 publication by Lisa Mietner in Nature.
As Americans, we had best pray that there is no God and that He is not just, for if ever were collective punishment deserved, then we are in for a big one.
Absolutely, the 'angst' about what is coming is real ... (for decades I wondered how long it would take until 'kicking the can down the road' does not work anymore!)
Martin Van Creveld explained the failure of the Modern Nation state model in the 1990s.
Robert Kegan explained the failure of the paradigm of modern rationalism in the 1990s.
Ross Perot warned the country about a "giant sucking sound" as jobs left the USA in 1992.
Most of the "left" and the middle class was brainwashed into thinking that Bill Clinton getting in bed with corporations and globalists was "ok".
Here we are 20-25 years later, and people are still mostly clueless about the fact that the "USA" basically ceased to exist a long time ago, except as an empty husk which was used as a veneer to cover the takeover of the system by globalists and neoliberals.
A key observation in this post: “No one mentioned the disastrous trade deals that have deindustrialized the country and impoverished the working class.”
Starr liking it. The middle class is picked clean and tossed aside, and politics, like economics, increasingly resembles a no-holds barred zero sum winner takes all game.
You will be seeing more and scarier, as people lash out.
Interesting article - but I am confused by people on the left who criticize vaccine opponents/skeptics. I won't get into the autism discussion - but you can't pretend to be against Wall Street, then bow down to the drug industry. The drug industry - like the war industry - wants profits. The drug industry is part of the Wall Street that the left supposedly hates. I believe the CEO of Moderna became a billionaire last year, and at least some of the R&D - not to mention the vaccine doses themselves - were paid for by the taxpayers. Corporate and state power combined is what?
If you have better systems besides a market economy please recommend them. Chris Hedges is correct that a tremendous imbalance has occurred in American Civilization; however, the issue of market economies (aka Capitalism) is well described by Churchill's description of democracy: "Worse possible system of governance until you consider the alternatives."
The system I described is not a market system. It's a socialistic, rigged system. CEO's of major corporations, such as Moderna, succeed because they ask for/take government handouts. They never wanted, nor ever will want, a free market.
Well that is not entirely true - it is a market system - there are multiple choices and much of the information is available (as biased in some respects as it may be). However, does corporate socialism exist in the US? You bet it does. Ideally, in a truly free market there is complete transparency of important information. Naturally no such condition exists.
In a truly free market large corporations, like Moderna, don't get any government handouts. I don't care whether there is transparency regarding the rigging or redistribution of wealth to Moderna. The vaccines should have been sold on the free market directly to the people. I don't want to pay for them.
Not sure what that means - but nope. There is enough barbarism now that I have to deal with and the 18th century would be worse. Being forced to bow down to and subsidize an authoritarian, parasitic monarch wouldn't be any better than being forced to bow down to and subsidize authoritarian and parasitic drug companies/ big Gov.
The only way this gets better is if the Anti-swamp right and Vehemently anti-Citizens United left, put aside every other issue and join together. This government will never work for the citizens again without strong regulations on money in politics and term limits.
The real fight (as opposed to the political spectacle) is between the Sunbelt industries (oil, defense, real estate, etc.) vs an unholy alliance of the PMC/Brahmins, eastern finance and the media-tech oligarchs.
Some of what you post is worthwhile. You can, however, be overbearing, histrionic, hyperbolic, disrespectful, rude, obnoxious, and an ass.
Who is a misanthrope such as yourself to comment that I post "stupid shit"? Much of your musings fall within the realm of narcissistic, rude, banal, insipid, and after a while boring "stupid shit". Grow up.
"The televised spectacle of the January 6th hearings will not restore democracy"
Someone please explain to us in detail this meme that democracy is in need of restoration related to Jan-6. On Feb-20 2011, 12,000 liberals marched in angry protest over Wisconsin's right to work legislation and they occupied the state capitol for weeks. As I recall the same people breathless with hand-wringing that Jan-6 was an insurrection were applauding the Wisconsin spectacle as people freely expressing their political opinions through some civil disobedience. Is the perspective here that clear abuses of government power persecuting the protestors of Jan-6 for politics is a threat to democracy? I would agree with that perspective... however, I doubt that is the point made here.
"or halt the rise of the far right."
There is no material threat of any far-right rising. This is liberal political mythology.
"The hearings are a desperate ploy by a doomed political class."
Did those "12,000 liberals [who] marched in angry protest" have automatic weapons? Were they backed by heavily armed militias, composed of many current and former military and police? Did they seek the overthrow of the government and establishment of a white Christian ethno-State? Did they reject the Constitution and formal means of government? Did they propagate lies, hate and racism? Were they funded by billionaire's and right wing news outlets and internet grifters? Can you see the difference now?
This reminds me of a great Doobie Brothers Song penned by the great Michael McDonald... "What a Fool Believes".
None of the Jan-6 protesters were armed. They were not backed by any armed militias and not composed of former military and police. They did not seek to overthrow the government and the rest of your statement is both racist and xenophobic. They did not reject the Constitution.
The Democrats are funded by the Billionaire Boys Club and propagate hate, lies and racism.
But I am sure you cannot see that truth having your crazy little muffin head all twisted like it is.
Prove it? You prove your case--you're the one making the spectacular claim that "no one was armed." I guarantee you there were armed people there. I'd be shocked if there wasn't. I'm actually supporting the case that those protesters and troublemakers were smart enough to not wave shooting irons in the air or perhaps start shooting. There's a scene captured during the "protest" in which Ashley Bobbit was shot dead, which everyone should see. That immediately stopped people in their tracks. Those toy revolutionaries suddenly discovered what happens when things are no longer a Show , a distraction. It was suddenly real, and time go go home.
These people clutching their political mythology is fantastic in light of the real facts. Their mythology is that Trump-supporters are violent and armed when in all the years of being punched down by the Democrat corporate media and beat by violent, armed and riotous Democrat BLM and Antifa thugs, the Republicans attended their Trump rallies and remained peaceful.
There is no evidence of material threats from any nationalist white supremacist groups. And the few that rant these extremes are powerless, bearded working-class dolts that pose no risk to the elites in power. There is no evidence of any material existence of systemic racism. Women have never had it better in the society and the economy. Yet they claim they are still oppressed by the white male middle-class patriarchy that is misogynist, racist, armed and violent.
It is really too bad that the average lefty either lacks so much self-awareness, or is otherwise so prone to intellectual dishonesty, that they cannot see how bad their mythology clutching makes them look to every other thinking person on the planet. They appear to be insane. Or maybe consuming too much legal cannabis.
My observation too. I live in liberal land in a college town that is 80% liberal and hard left, and so I have a lot of subjects to test out this theory. My next self-awarded PHD project is to develop a theory for how it happens. Why are people with political left-leaning politics over-represented in mental health diagnosis?
Having observed 100s of radical-extremist leftists in a variety of settings over 50 years, there is an obvious connection between such extremism and psychiatric disorders.
So what. They were packing. The Proud Boys and Oath Keepers often display their ordinance particularly when they drive through Portand, OR. Now how many people were packing on 1/6/2021, well I have no way of knowing. They did vandalize though.
You completely missed the point. Hedges is referring to a long decline in the United States that far precedes what you are talking about as far as recent riots. It's not about just Jan. 6. You are a nobody, and want me to believe you when you say there is no threat of the far right. I'll go with Hedges and his decades of reporting instead of anonymous Frank Fucking Lee. Please stop writing if you can't do better.
What is wrong with you? Why do you take these thing so personally? Do you think everyone has to use this forum the way you do? If so you are mistaken. Anyone who pays his $5 gets to shit in your salad or make specious arguments or say the moon is hollow or even post poetry by Robert Frost if they feel like it. If you have so little self-control, this isn't the place for you. It looks like it's bad for your health and, if you have any loved ones, which I doubt, they might be sad if you die. Now do as I requested and eat a bag of glass or something. Or have a heart attack or stroke. Or get caught fucking your neighbor's teen-age daughter. You see, I am profane but in control. I don't lean on the question mark key like a spastic ape. I am merely acting for the public good, and am trying to get you, a mind-fuck virus, eliminated from the environment.
What is wrong with you? Why do you take these thing so personally? Do you think everyone has to use this forum the way you do? If so you are mistaken. Anyone who pays his $5 gets to shit in your salad or make specious arguments or say the moon is hollow or even post poetry by Robert Frost if they feel like it. If you have so little self-control, this isn't the place for you. It looks like it's bad for your health and, if you have any loved ones, which I doubt, they might be sad if you die. Now do as I requested and eat a bag of glass or something. Or have a heart attack or stroke. Or get caught fucking your neighbor's teen-age daughter. You see, I am profane but in control. I don't lean on the question mark key like a spastic ape. I am merely acting for the public good, and am trying to get you, a mind-fuck virus, eliminated from the environment.
The challenge its to build from the bottom up an alternative system. We must do this. In fact it's happening already. Revolution is like mycelium, growing from thew soil up. There are decent people out there...
Unions are part of the establishment. They operate within severe constraints and will not support radical attempts to overthrow the system they are part of and derive their limited power from.
Progressivism is a failure. What is needed is a populist transpartisan coalition, including labor, opposed to the establishment, neoliberalism and globalism.
Chris nailed it with this article and I want so badly for it not to be true. We are being bombarded by political ads that are just total fabrications of what the other side is doing and they don't even attempt to address any real issues, it is all just make-believe nonsense, theater. I have never before sat out an election in my 66 years but this year I will because there are no candidates on either side that appear to be honest or trustworthy. Our country is being destroyed by the 1%.
I would love to vote third party but rarely does one get the opportunity to do so because third party candidates are oftentimes barred from appearing on the ballots due to rigging by the duopoly of Democrats and Republicans. They simply do not want to allow people to have any other choice than the lesser of two evils. For example in the last presidential election, the Green party was refused access to the ballot by the Democratic party here in Wisconsin.
I'm 65. I won't be voting again. It's pointless. No third party is going to arise and even if one did, it would feel the fury of the same people who demonize Trump.
What is wrong with you? Why do you take these thing so personally? Do you think everyone has to use this forum the way you do? If so you are mistaken. Anyone who pays his $5 gets to shit in your salad or make specious arguments or say the moon is hollow or even post poetry by Robert Frost if they feel like it. If you have so little self-control, this isn't the place for you. It looks like it's bad for your health and, if you have any loved ones, which I doubt, they might be sad if you die. Now do as I requested and eat a bag of glass or something. Or have a heart attack or stroke. Or get caught fucking your neighbor's teen-age daughter. You see, I am profane but in control. I don't lean on the question mark key like a spastic ape. I am merely acting for the public good, and am trying to get you, a mind-fuck virus, eliminated from the environment.
If I were going to an insurrection, I would bring a gun. And so would the several hundred innocent people the State is persecuting for engaging in a protest, or in a few cases, a riot. We don't believe in angels or any of the other stupid ideas you accuse us of, and only a real fool would believe those lies about us. Our crime is not loving the security state and having the idiotic simplicity to imagine that the political class should follow the will of the people. Unlike you and apparently many of your readers, we have permanently turned off our televisions and after the real insurrection of 4 Nov 2020 we are able to clearly see the world.
I don't have a dog in this fight, but it just looked like a riot to me. Actually, I also thought, "this is what the left should do if it wants to get its agenda recognized." But the Democrats, the supposed "left," sit on their asses and perform theater like Hedges said. They have nothing to offer working people, and will continue losing.
What is wrong with you? Why do you take these thing so personally? Do you think everyone has to use this forum the way you do? If so you are mistaken. Anyone who pays his $5 gets to shit in your salad or make specious arguments or say the moon is hollow or even post poetry by Robert Frost if they feel like it. If you have so little self-control, this isn't the place for you. It looks like it's bad for your health and, if you have any loved ones, which I doubt, they might be sad if you die. Now do as I requested and eat a bag of glass or something. Or have a heart attack or stroke. Or get caught fucking your neighbor's teen-age daughter. You see, I am profane but in control. I don't lean on the question mark key like a spastic ape. I am merely acting for the public good, and am trying to get you, a mind-fuck virus, eliminated from the environment.
"There was no acknowledgement by committee members that the “will of the people” has been subverted by the three branches of government to serve the dictates of the billionaire class.
No one brought up the armies of lobbyists who are daily permitted to storm the Capitol to fund the legalized bribery of our elections and write the pro-corporate legislation that it passes.
No one spoke about the loss of constitutional rights, including the right to privacy, because of wholesale government surveillance. No one mentioned the disastrous trade deals that have deindustrialized the country and impoverished the working class.
No one spoke of the military fiascos in the Middle East that cost taxpayers over $8 trillion, the for-profit health care system that gouges the public and prevents a rational response to the pandemic, already resulting in over a million deaths, or the privatization of institutions of government, including schools, prisons, water treatment, trash collection, parking meters, utilities and even intelligence gathering, to enrich the billionaire class at our expense.
The gaping hole between the reality of what we have become, and the fiction of who we are supposed to be, is why spectacle is all the ruling class has left. Spectacle takes the place of politics."
But spectacle does nothing to improve our lives or reduce suffering so the corrupt ruling class are only fooling themselves. We in the working class live with reality and payback will be ugly.
There is no history of a real, serious, violent threat to the establishment for over 100 years (the "Secret" war between radical labor activists and industrialists 1890-1915). You are delusional.
The D-party version of the "left" was created as controlled opposition after WW2, and has morphed into "woke" cancel culture, which is a massive magnet for mental illness.
The best that the "New Reactionaries", the so called Alt-Right and similar groups can do is to wait for the system to disintegrate to the point where they can secede from the Union.
This brought to mind the sweep of history. We come from being barbarians and it's a process to learn how to be human. That's how to account for the surviving barbarisms you've written about. But January 6 was egregious enough to burst through the shell that has managed to keep the rest of our misadventures contained, and, unless we annihilate ourselves first, dealing with it will be the next stepping stone to the more beautiful world our hearts know is possible.
Yes, with respect to e.pierce - Bless his/her/they/them/it's heart. This person (or is it an AI bot - some graduate student's PhD project....Hmmmm), is very ecumenical in their/it's disdain.
Some of the narratives you ridicule are not conspiracy theories, but are grounded in reality and fact.
Vaccines certainly don't "cause" autism, but are undoubtedly a strong contributing factor. I would encourage you to examine some of the well researched work RFK Jr has done for years.
I'm surprised you're skeptical of elite sex trafficking being commonplace. Besides the suspicious circumstances of Epstein's death, the amount of evidence uncovered that was never looked into further, or the Depp trial getting an absurd level of coverage compared to Maxwell with developments happening at the same time much of it is displayed in plain sight. One could reasonably argue how prevalent it is, but it's quite clear a large amount of elites are into some sick, disgusting things (some of which is clearly satanic). Sorry I don't have as good sources for you on this one, but even just look at some music videos of today or some of the crazy things actors say. They serve the elite so they emulate them, hoping for approval and validation.
"RFK is a loon. You are recommending something written by him as "well-researched"? Don't make me laugh."
Not a good look flaunting your ignorance topped with nasty, blind prejudice drawn from corrupt corp media smears. As an environmental attorney, battling some of the world's most toxic polluters, RFK Jr has distinguished himself with some of the most significant wins protecting human health. This include Hudson River PCB clean up, mercury limits in fish and Monsanto Roundup shown to be carcinogenic.
The parents of a vaccine injured child begged Bobby to take their case over 20 years ago and the evidence those parents gave him and suit that followed was the beginning of Childrens Health Defense but don't believe me.
Here's a link for The Real Anthony Fauci, a full list of the thousands of citations and given it was read 2 times by more than two dozen experts in every area of science and law a link to the publisher's challenge for anyone to find a single error.
Like Julian Assange it is those who promote truth our presstitutes destroy.
“Dr. Joseph Goebbels wrote that ‘A lie told once remains a lie, but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth.’ Tragically for humanity, there are many, many untruths emanating from Fauci and his minions. RFK Jr. exposes the decades of lies.”
All citations for The Real Anthony Fauci are organized by chapter or chapter section with clickable links for your convenience. To navigate, select the chapter then the citation number you wish to view, and you will be linked to the source of the citation.
If powerful people challenged by this book claim it contains misinformation, our response is simply this: Tell us where you believe something is incorrect, make your best arguments and offer the best available support for those arguments.
Yes, logical fallacies are common from the corporate left. They side with Wall Street and corporate power. Their allignment with the drug industry, against workers, illustrates their closet, right wing foundation. These people say nothing about and support the government(including Democrats) helping in the slaughter of Yemen - but call Putin a monster. They say nothing about Antifa/BLM rioting and killing, as well as spreading Covid. It's amusing how they paint anyone who has even a question regarding Covid vaccines as anti-vax/ conspiracy theorists. Theirs is a right wing standpoint and something one would expect from the head of sales at Pfizer. Fauci told people not to wear masks in early 2020; there are actually people who believe what he says. The authoritarian, anti-liberal philosophy of corporate Democrats has come out of the closet with the Covid cult. These were the people who called for and celebrated Covid lockdowns, which likely killed tens of thousands of poor(mainly brown) children worldwide. These are the Obama/Clinton/Biden worshippers, and the people Malcolm X despised.
What is wrong with you? Why do you take these thing so personally? Do you think everyone has to use this forum the way you do? If so you are mistaken. Anyone who pays his $5 gets to shit in your salad or make specious arguments or say the moon is hollow or even post poetry by Robert Frost if they feel like it. If you have so little self-control, this isn't the place for you. It looks like it's bad for your health and, if you have any loved ones, which I doubt, they might be sad if you die. Now do as I requested and eat a bag of glass or something. Or have a heart attack or stroke. Or get caught fucking your neighbor's teen-age daughter. You see, I am profane but in control. I don't lean on the question mark key like a spastic ape. I am merely acting for the public good, and am trying to get you, a mind-fuck virus, eliminated from the environment.
"Here's a link for The Real Anthony Fauci, a full list of the thousands of citations and given it was read 2 times by more than two dozen experts in every area of science and law a link to the publisher's challenge for anyone to find a single error."
I'll employ this as night reading. I only dived into Chapter 8: "White Mischef: Dr. Fauci's African atrocities".
The first couple paragraphs were stunning. So many points were conflated into a whole narrative of malfeasance. I will read this from RFK Jr. When reading it, I will bear in mind that RFK is an attorney and has never created anything unique in his life. Like all lawyers he fits in Adam Smith's category of unproductive labor. Unproductive labor cannot exist without the surplus wealth created by productive labor. Taken to an extreme it is an extremely parasitic form of predation. Several pages of testimonials from the beginning sets the stage for what may or may not be a worthwhile expose.
Open minded consideration of facts is all any of us can do in search of truth. I would disagree about the blanket assertion that RFK Jr can produce nothing as a lawyer when his efforts directly link to turning the Hudson River from a foul, polluted, dying ecosystem to a thriving natural resource for humans and other living things. If making lives safer and more enjoyable for millions doesn't count as creating value your accounting method does not jive with mine. :~)
I am intentionally being histrionic and provocative. He has a history as an environmental lawyer and that should be acknowledged. However, the Adam Smith categorization remains. When you think about it, the only way RFK could do both the very good and "we'll see good?" things he has done is because he does not have to go out and hunt game or dig for roots. Hunter gathers have simple societies with limited horizons. Lots of brain power but little culture. The basis for the bit of histrionics is that I think lawyers and finance people have far too much power in our economy. With the Age of Reagan (all the way form the Great Communicator to the Present Day), productive labor has been devalued and subservient to unproductive labor. A well written expose worth reading is Flying Blind: The 737 Tragedy and the Fall of Boeing by Peter Robison. The tragedy of Boeing has precedence in the tragedy of General Motors and the offshoring of millions of manufacturing jobs with the resultant immiseration of millions of Americans.
RFK is tough, I'm sure he can handle a bit of hyperbolic opinion.
Thanks for the explanation it helps understand your point & agree completely about the rise of unproductive labor and destruction of our industries on an accelerating trajectory.
You're most certainly correct about Bobby being tough enough. His strength of character can't negate my fierce defensive posture gained from decades of tangling with Monsanto shills and trolls. No that's most certainly not a backhand at you I'm always clear with my jabs.
This is a conditioned response where first hint of my favorite truth tellers being targeted gets my claws out reflexively. I'm working on the patience to have a calm exchange and assess the merits first... fingers always crossed! :~)
I am just learning to write at 74. Autisme Quebec says Autism is what you are not who you are.
I love logic . Eugenia Cheng is my favourite English as in England (OK Orwell is up there with Chomsky, Samuel Clemens, Frederick Douglas and John Ralston Saul) philosophers certainly of the last two centuries. My favourite modern philosopher at least from the Gaon of Vilna philosophers remain Socratic and if you can't speak truth to yourself you can't like seeking wisdom.
If I say I didn't trust Fauci the minute he opened his mouth and I think Kennedy is a crackpot just like Joseph lobotomy Kennedy Sr was back 90 years ago.
Can I disbelieve both at the same time?
I am tired of picking sides I would never pick if I had other options.
Canada's Covid czar Teresa Tam always spoke the truth. She knows the difference between opinion and science . Science is never certain of anything.
"Charles Ortleb, the editor of New York Native and author of a biography of the NIAID director, recalls that the theme of unwanted minorities spreading contagion was a standardized soliloquy of totalitarianism, most notoriously Hitler’s stoking of public fears of tuberculosis to incite bigotry toward Jews: “There was always this undertone of bigotry with AIDS. I don’t think we can dismiss as coincidence that the population that they targeted for their toxic concoctions were gays, Blacks, Hispanics, and Africans.”
Maybe that was because those were the most impacted populations. Maybe RFK just has a "natural & homeopathic" approach to treating AIDS. Let the disease run its course and the vast majority of those infected will die and in the meantime then will infect others. Heavens to Betsy that the BIG BAD Pharma Companies' should look at "poisons".
I'll stop there but look forward to reading further and see how RFK squares the circle with the fact that HIV was a transmissible and in almost all cases a fatal illness in the early 1980s whereas now the disease is exceptionally manageable and people so burdened can lead normal lives and expect many productive years ahead of them.
Coming from a huge Irish clan of Factor VIII hemophiliacs with half our males dead from AIDS tainted blood during the 1980s my issue is with Red Cross, Cutter and the Clintons' Arkansas Prison Project that sold infected blood long after the problem was known. The "search for cures" an ugly series of human medical experiments and policies that excluded effective early treatments just like HCQ and Ivermectin with Covid.
Variety ~ This review was updated on Nov. 16, 2005.
A sturdy, concise, no-nonsense documentary that should hit screens as soon as possible, “Factor 8: The Arkansas Prison Blood Scandal” has limited theatrical options, but would probably win Peabodys if shown on “Frontline,” HBO or any of the several other outlets with social agendas and nerve enough to air the appalling story related in this unconventional movie.
During Bill Clinton’s gubernatorial tenure in Arkansas, the state prison system — which was self-supporting, largely through inmate farm labor — collected and sold inmate blood, often taken from the riskiest element of the prison population.
Focusing on the state’s notorious Cummins work farm, documaker Kelly Duda establishes through interviews with current and former inmates, prison phlebotomists and others, that inmates commonly known to engage in IV drug abuse and homosexual activity were allowed to bleed for $2 a pop and — although officials deny it — their blood was then processed and sold. Illegal to sell in the United States, the blood was distributed in Canada and used, among other things, to process Factor 8, a clotting mediation sold to hemophiliacs. They, in turn, came down with HIV infections and hepatitis C.
Thank you for this information. I am, naturally, very sorry for the misery your family must have endured. I do not think that the development of good drugs for AIDS is as sordid as you may think it is. I've started reading RFK's book and will continue to do so. With only five pages down (of a very large document) I can tell that I am concerned with his intentions. A case in point: He references the nevirapine disaster and the horrific toxicity of the early drugs (early drugs were toxic). He pulls at the heart strings of people by making various claims. What he does not do is acknowledge that AIDS in Africa was an epidemic. Even today, in various parts of Africa the prevalence of HIV within the population is 22.2% in Botswana, 17.3% in South Africa, etc. Effectively this viral infection is endemic in many parts of Africa. RFK has so far written nothing about this. What he does not do is describe the human need and the difficulty of studying any drug in low research countries. RFK is in the perfect position of a critic; he has created nothing, has no responsibility, and can attempt to control the story. Given the complexity of the story he also knows that is not easy for individuals to gainsay him.
I guess, I can only opine that since RFK trusts no one in the pharmaceutical industry, government or the medical community why should anyone trust him? Is he that nihilistic and cynical that he believes vast segments of academia, government, physicians and individuals who work for pharmaceutical companies are all inherently part of conspiracy?
Something I will note is that he has chosen areas of campaigning which involve very high profile and controversial areas; the environment; vaccines; HIV; COVID; etc. If he really were interested in helping Americans one would think he might turn some of this immense energy to battling the unequal income distribution in this country or returning manufacturing to the US. How about taking on the malfeasance of Wall Street? Could such campaigning conflict with his own self-interests and the interests of his very wealthy family? I cannot honestly know his intentions; however, from the little reading I've done thus far, I certainly can say that he portrays himself as knowing the intentions of others with certainty.
I will try to watch the documentary you have brought up. I can tell you from personal experience that similar issues existed in Japan during the 1980s, 1990s and into the 2000s. This is a link to a Japan Times article which may be of interest to you if you can gain entry. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2001/03/29/national/hiv-hit-hemophiliacs-fight-on/
HIV, hemophilia, and contaminated blood products was a very large scandal in Japan back in the 1990s. It was in all the papers and on all the news programs. There were demonstrations and parts of it were indeed sordid.
"In 1983, a group of hemophiliacs had filed a petition with the Health and Welfare Ministry to replace the unheated blood products from the U.S. with safer alternatives. While the ministry gave the go-ahead for heated blood products in 1985, it failed to order a recall of unheated products."
I hope that things have improved for your family and cannot imagine the sorrow you must all have endured.
Speaking as a 74 year old under the care of Quebec Department of Health and its Autisme Department. Don't knock it till you've tried it.
I am a very slow learner but I read when I was three and I had a PhD vocabulary when I was twelve. I just couldn't do kindergarten. I still use a kindergarten keyboard and one finger and I did many things better equipped people can't do. I like what I see when look in the mirror and laugh. I've learned to love what they see.
I am not a lazy genius it took all of my energy to travel the universe.
The finger I use to type I offer to you free of charge. It is the middle finger of my right hand.
Joseph Kennedy Senior the First lobotomized his daughter; how obscene was that? She was an embarrassment and he wanted an Ambassadorship.
Another Alumni of Kamala's High School once wrote there Ain't No Cure for Love. It is worth a listen.
No surprise you don't have "good sources" to back up your claims. And you utterly misunderstand what's behind music videos in which "crazy things" are said. It's all part of celebrity culture, in which Pelosi, Trump, Biden, Obama, et. al., are celebrities as surely as Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp, Amber Heard, etc.
Yeah, it seems the old Republicans have lost the party and so they slink up with the Democrats to try and tag team the new populist threat from the right.
Yes, that's it. The GOP can't be the party of big business with Trump being so influential. So the Demopublicans, in league with the mainstream media and donor class, are currently the big business party. They all lie constantly and smear Trump and his voters at every opportunity. It's what they tried in 2016. The Democrats have a severe learning disability caused by continually having a lobbyist up their assholes. Because this actually strengthens Trump's position.
What the establishment wants is someone who will kick the can forward for Wall Street, keep everything running smoothly so that money keeps flowing where it should, and Trump isn't trusted to do that. This is the core of the issue. Everything else regarding Trump is secondary.
What is wrong with you? Why do you take these thing so personally? Do you think everyone has to use this forum the way you do? If so you are mistaken. Anyone who pays his $5 gets to shit in your salad or make specious arguments or say the moon is hollow or even post poetry by Robert Frost if they feel like it. If you have so little self-control, this isn't the place for you. It looks like it's bad for your health and, if you have any loved ones, which I doubt, they might be sad if you die. Now do as I requested and eat a bag of glass or something. Or have a heart attack or stroke. Or get caught fucking your neighbor's teen-age daughter. You see, I am profane but in control. I don't lean on the question mark key like a spastic ape. I am merely acting for the public good, and am trying to get you, a mind-fuck virus, eliminated from the environment.
Not exactly. One of the new right wing movements, National Conservatism (Trumpism without Trump) is trying to form some kind of alliance between radical populism and the traditional elements of the establishment (and their allies the media-tech oligarchs)
If you look at e.pierce's responses I'm coming to think he/she/they/it is actually an AI program which is part of a PhD thesis from some computer scientist at MIT. Certainly there are canned responses and the theme of invective is very often the same.
What is wrong with you? Why do you take these thing so personally? Do you think everyone has to use this forum the way you do? If so you are mistaken. Anyone who pays his $5 gets to shit in your salad or make specious arguments or say the moon is hollow or even post poetry by Robert Frost if they feel like it. If you have so little self-control, this isn't the place for you. It looks like it's bad for your health and, if you have any loved ones, which I doubt, they might be sad if you die. Now do as I requested and eat a bag of glass or something. Or have a heart attack or stroke. Or get caught fucking your neighbor's teen-age daughter. You see, I am profane but in control. I don't lean on the question mark key like a spastic ape. I am merely acting for the public good, and am trying to get you, a mind-fuck virus, eliminated from the environment.
Thanks for this article. Now I don't feel quite so alone in my withdrawal from politics. I just don't belong anywhere now except outside what is going on.
I disagree with your conclusion. This article should drive you to participate in overthrowing this corrupt and rotten system. Abdication amounts to collusion in my book.
Hold on there a second. I wouldn't let a few controlling rotten apples lead you to believe its time to toss out the whole apple cart. In my opinion, the functioning Republic framed and established by our founding Fathers is about as good as it gets. Problem is apathy set in along the way and the people allowed the responsibility for keeping it the hands of a corrupt few. Mostly likely an all too comfortable relationship with capitalism experienced during the haydays of our growth spawned that apathy. In turn, oligarchs siezed control during thee times of apathy and within the past 75 years have bought a controlling share of government. IMO it doesn't mean its impossible to take that responsibility back. I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water...yet.
BTW, what's your suggestion for an alternative after an overthrow? Even if you envision a better ideal (let's hear it) getting there through anarchy is, IMO, a highly questionable proposition. Even the revolutionaries of the U.S. had an ocean of distance between those they sought to overthrow literally (the Atlantic) and philosophically (Monarchy vs Republic). We no longer have that benefit. In our case (as you've surmised with the word "corruption") the devil is within.
Moral panics created by "progressives", echoes of 1880s Victorian moralism and missionary tendencies (at the end of the industrial revolution), were used by internationalists like Woodrow Wilson to destroy the USA, as it was originally set up.
The USA is now little more than a shell that is used by globalists to destroy the middle class and stop populist resistance to the imposition of Neo-feudalism.
Insane "leftists" like Zaremba are delusional and clueless, lost in absurdly outmoded, toxic ideological echo chambers (controlled opposition).
Do you think e.pierce that you could learn some manners and stop being such an ass.
seek psychiatric/neurological treatment
That's exactly where the establishment wants you to be. From their perspective: mission accomplished! Where (and from whom) have we heard that in the recent past?
Your position might result from your definition of 'politics'.
re: David Ronfeldt's TIMN model of social change
disruption -> disintegration -> regression to ideological tribalism -> reintegration at a higher level / social form(s)
https://twotheories.blogspot.com/2009/02/overview-of-social-evolution-past.html
---excerpts---
... At first, when a new form arises, it has subversive effects on the old order, before it has additive effects that lead to a new order.
[--->] Bad actors may prove initially more adept than good actors at using a new form
— e.g., ancient warlords, medieval pirates and smugglers, and today’s information-age terrorists being examples that correspond to the +I, +M, and +N transitions, respectively. As each form takes hold,
[--->] energizing a distinct set of values and norms for actors operating in that form,
it generates a new realm of activity — for example, the state, the market. As a new realm gains legitimacy and expands the space it occupies within a social system, it puts new limits on the scope of existing realms. At the same time, through feedback and other interactions, the rise of a new form/realm also modifies the nature of the existing ones.
[--->] ... Societies that can elevate the bright over the dark side of each form and achieve a new combination become more powerful and capable of complex tasks than societies that do not.
Societies that first succeed at making a new combination gain advantages over competitors and attain a paramount influence over the nature of international conflict and cooperation. If a major power finds itself stymied by the effort to achieve a new combination, it risks being superseded.
... A people’s adaptability to the rise of a new form appears to depend largely on the local nature of the tribal form. It may have profound effects on what happens as the later forms get added. For example, the tribal form has unfolded differently in China and in America. Whereas the former has long revolved around extended family ties, clans, and dynasties, the latter has relied on the nuclear family, heavy immigration, and a fabric of fraternal organizations that provide quasi-kinship ties (e.g., from the open Rotary Club to the closed Ku Klux Klan). These differences at the tribal level have given unique shapes to each nation’s institutional and market forms, to their ideas about progress, and, now, to their adaptability to the rise of networked NGOs.
...
---end excerpts---
re: "Societies that can elevate the bright over the dark side of each form"
Note that that construct will itself be frequently rejected by postmoderns because the idea of "bright over the dark" carries mythic values ("good over evil"). They can only do so by ignoring the part of the construct about increasing complexity.
Thus, postmodern values become aligned with psychological, spiritual and social disorder, and postmodern radical extremists (the cultural-left) openly embrace disorder and "nebulousity" (the rejection of ALL PATTERNS in nature, including math, logic and rational objectivity). 2+2=5.
Also note that radical extremism highly correlates to mental illness.
So, the combination of increasing complexity, mental illness, political and social radical-extremism and postmodernism typically results in severe disorder/chaos, fragility, disruption, pathology and corruption, especially, but not exclusively on the cultural-left.
Matt Taibbi has documented numerous cases of such postmodern social pathology, see his article archive. Here is a similar recent case that exposes social pathology/toxicity on the cultural-left:
https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/i-criticized-blm-then-i-was-fired
Deep dive into the rise of hyper moral panics (a type of "spectacle") to shape collective intelligence:
https://rebelwisdom.substack.com/p/egregores-swarms-and-apocalyptic
Correct. There is a war between factions of the power elites. The "Virtuals" (tech oligarchs and the cultural-left) are seeking to reduce the "Physical" (working) classes, the people involved in the physical production of goods in the industrial and consumer economies, to the status of peasants in a Neo-feudal, ILLIBERAL "Global" society, ASAP.
Deep dive into the structure of the competing power elites:
https://attackthesystem.com/2021/12/06/curtis-yarvin-mencius-moldbug-on-tucker-carlson-today-09-08-21/
excerpt:
What Curtis Yarvin (Mencius Moldbug) Gets Right and Wrong
BY KEITH PRESTON ON DECEMBER 6, 2021
What Yarvin offers ... is a high-quality and reasonably accurate analysis of the socio-cultural and political role of the technocratic class, or what has been variously called the “Brahmins” (Thomas Piketty), “New Class” (Irving Kristol), “New Clerisy” (Joel Kotkin), “Professional-Managerial Class” (Barbara Ehrenreich), or merely the “Cultural Elite” (the Pat Buchanan types).
Yarvin is mostly regurgitating the same critique of these sectors that “conservatives” of different kinds have been expressing for generations. He’s right that this sector first became influential during the Progressive Era, and have their roots in the Prussian-model public administration state that was imported into the USA largely by intellectuals and academics with degrees from German universities in the late 19th/early 20th century.
Like other similar thinkers (for example, Michael Anton or the recently deceased Angelo Codevilla) these types of critics mistakenly conflate the “Brahmins” with the entirety of the ruling class.
... Yarvin cites Burnham as an influence, but he misses one of Burnham’s core insights, i.e. that
[->] classical liberal-bourgeois capitalism was superseded by managerial capitalism,
not just in the US but in all developed countries, in the mid-20th century, and it was through the entrenchment of managerial capitalism that the Brahmins were able to obtain the hegemonic social and cultural role they have since achieved.
Also, the
[->] managerial class was faced with an insurgency within its own ranks
in the postwar period which paralleled the
[->] expansion of the professional class,
particularly within the public sector during the same time period (recognizing this was one of the things Irving Kristol got right).
Another critical factor is that the postwar “Information Age” created the framework for both classical bourgeois capitalism and managerial capitalism to be
[->] superseded by digital capitalism
...
The traditional financial establishment faced an intra-ruling class challenge during the late 20th century from the insurgent Sunbelt industries that emerged in the postwar period (whose political frontmen were figures like Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan, and Newt Gingrich). But the northeastern financial establishment has been able to launch a largely successful counterattack through its
[->] alliance with digital capitalism against traditional industrial capitalism and with the Brahmins against the sinking traditional middle class to upper-middle class (Chamber of Commerce types, small capital, the petite bourgeoisie, etc.).
... Additionally, the “woke” ideology (what I call “totalitarian humanism”) that presently constitutes the self-legitimating ideological superstructure of the ruling class is not the sole creation of the Brahmins alone.
[->] Every ideological superstructure has a materialist base and class base
(which in the case of totalitarian humanism would be digital capital, the tech revolution, “financialization” of the kind that has emerged from neoliberalism, the expanded technocratic class which is the product of the wider degree of specialization and the division of labor rooted in increased technological sophistication).
Additionally, “wokeness” is rooted in the wider infrastructure of statecraft which can be traced, at the irreducible minimum, to the collusion between the Frankfurt School and the OSS during WW2, followed by the CIA’s creation of the Congress of Cultural Freedom in the 1950s. While elements of the ideological framework of totalitarian humanism may have their roots in the cultural revolution of the 1960s/1970s, in its present form “wokeness” represents a co-optation of those cultural patterns by the liberal wing of the capitalist class ( a specific strategy that was devised by Fred Dutton as far back as 1970).
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It's not only the 'far right' who believe that vaccines can sometimes cause autism, or indeed that EMF pollution and the Covid vaccines etc etc present risks to health. It's also people like me - left-wing environmental activists who believe that our unfettered, capitalist-driven technological progress and our technocratic solutions to our environmental, social and health crises are doomed to failure. I resent being lumped in with 'far-right' conspiracy theorists - a simple and false way of marginalising the common sense views of people, mainly women, who stand for a sane relationship with the planet, it's miraculous complex ecology and the sentient beings that inhabit it. I'm also grateful to you, Chris, for being mostly excellent.
I respect your viewpoint Erin , even if not fully aligned with my perspective and choices.
I love the fact this space allows us the freedom to respond to articles based on our inferences , differences and like mindedness✌️🕊
Cheers
M
Well, if politics makes for strange bedfellows, so does the anti-vax movement. But if you find yourself allied with nutcases, maybe you ought to rethink your own ideas.
Calling people labels like nutcases reveals close-mindedness and an unwillingness to engage in dialogue. Shouldn't we all be rethinking our ideas all the time in dialogue with others and changing reality? The Luddites of the 1800s in England were called nutcases too, but time has proved them right - pollution, climate-change etc. Some people think profit-driven technological progress is 'inevitable', especially in the field of 'health', and maybe you're one of them, Rob, but in the 1800s, as now, there were/are many possible paths to a better life for all. Surely that better future can only come about through dialogue, with investigation of multiple options i.e. real democracy - which didn't happen when vaccines were touted as the only solution to the pandemic and forced on the population. No wonder the 'far-right' jumped up and grabbed the opportunity to further their mixed-up agendas.
My position on vaccines has nothing to do with profit. Vaccines have prevented hundreds of millions of deaths and disabilities over the years due to diseases ranging from smallpox to polio. With regard to COVID-19, unvaccinated individuals in the United States currently comprise approximately 75% of those who die or require hospitalization. This is a fact, not a fabrication. People who deny hard facts need to step back and reevaluate their understanding of reality.
I completely support the right of people to choose to be vaccinated and I agree that vaccines have been a huge boon for illnesses like polio and small pox. I'm not 'anti-vax'. However, I don't agree with coercing people to take a vaccine. My argument is that such coercion, as an ethical infringement of human rights (the right to choose whether or not to accept a medical procedure) created an injustice and a grievance which the 'far right' has been able to profit from. Surely informing people properly and allowing a public scientific discourse about vaccines vs/plus treatments for Covid and trusting people (with their physicians) to make a wise choice in the light of their health status, age etc would have been the appropriate response in democratic countries. It's a shame you use the term 'hard' facts - no such thing in this complicated situation!
So, such things as hard facts do exist. "Facts" and superior models of reality do exist. Now the interpretation of facts and their application is subject to different human perspectives.
Imagine the following thought experiment. It is your right not to be vaccinated for whooping cough. Imagine I have a grandchild who is less than the age necessary for vaccination. For some reason or other you happen to be in contact with that child and you are already infected with whooping cough. The child gets whooping cough and dies. Case tracking and DNA sequencing demonstrate that the infecting strain that killed my grandchild came from you.
Do I have the right to sue you for every cent of your property? Do I have the right to take you to court for malfeasance? Of course, you did not intend to infect my grandchild and you certainly did not intend them to become ill and die. You did, however, because it is your right, decide not to be vaccinated.
Perhaps you consider this a fantasy and in some ways it is a conflation of improbable events. Nevertheless, children died from measles, whooping cough, polio, etc. They died in vast numbers.
Your argument is pure sophistry. I said that Covid vaccines reduce the risk of severe disease and death from Covid-19 infections. That is a hard fact, as has been shown in numerous studies and can be seen in daily statistics from public health agencies. It has nothing to do with parsing responsibility for transmitting the virus. That sort of "interpretation" is intended to distract from the essential reality that vaccines work. They are not perfect, but perfection is not required for them to be massively useful.
I agree that requiring vaccination is an infringement upon individual rights, and I would be against such coercion, if the decision not to be vaccinated only affected the individual making it. But that isn't the case, as people carrying the Covid-19 virus can transmit it to others, and people who become seriously ill from Covid-19 are at risk of dying. Also, serious illness places a tremendous burden upon society's health care system. Thus, the repercussions of unchecked infections creates a moral imperative to consider the welfare of others, not simply our own personal agency.
The fact is that we relinquish some of our individual liberties all the time for the sake of public welfare. Think of drivers licenses, building permits and inspections, prescription drugs and many other examples. Virtually all of us accept these limits on liberty as a matter of course, because they make sense. Why should vaccination against communicable diseases be placed in a separate category? I am old enough to remember the public panic during the polio epidemics of mid-twentieth century. When a vaccine was finally created, no one refused to have their children vaccinated. That would have been considered both stupid and irresponsible. Nowadays, few people have a personal memory of polio, and no one remembers smallpox, which killed 500 million people worldwide IN THE TWENTIETH CENTURY ALONE before it was eradicated in the 1950s by a widespread vaccination effort. That effort succeeded, because there was no campaign against it based on self-aggrandizing principles or ideology.
You are promoting ideology, not science.
Telling people they are close minded is just "projection".
You have already made some grossly absurd claims about what "science" is that reveal that you are just memetically replicating emotive narratives and calling it "science".
I dunno, during the runup to the GFC the people who were insisting that the economy was not functioning normally were nutbars. as in "Jews and Masons have teamed up to corner the orange juice futures markets using mental telepathy!" nutbars.
Responsible, respectable, credentialed people who were paid inordinate sums for their expertise on financial matters were insisting that everything was normal, that the Emperor was wearing a Zegna suit of a conservative stripe and that everything really was different this time.
If you are anti-science, you are also anti-Enlightenment, which means you probably support the vacuous realm of post-modernism. I am a woman and I support science over superstition and quackery.
I'm interested in science too - as an enlightening process for investigating reality, not a set of beliefs (which would be a religion). I support a scientific discourse too and abhor the claims made by some that they represent 'THE science'. The enlightening process of science must involve dialogue, humility on the part of those doing the investigating (cognisant of our/their relative ignorance in the face the exquisite complexity of nature ), and an ethical, philosophical framework based on what enhances and supports the betterment of people and the integrity of nature. This framework has often been abandoned in favour of the profit motive and the requirements of an insatiable military-industrial complex. Cynical labels like 'quackery' need to be accompanied by a cogent argument - or, preferably, just the cogent argument. Then you can have a proper democratic, scientific discourse.
Your inability to do meta-narrative analysis of your own cognitive biases and how the form your ideology is a sign that you don't actually understand "science".
Cherry picking facts to fit a narrative is not real science.
Don't do what you criticize the establishment of doing.
we have been in this place before, in 1775, in 1860, in 1932, we had the Founders, Lincoln, and FDR to pull us out of it, people around whom many in the nation could gather. People that were on the whole honorable, that served something good outside themselves. Whatever their failings, they believed in something larger and better for all of us. I don't see anyone on the horizon now that can do that for us. Chris articulates the problem and situation very well. I worry about civil war, about world war, about complete collapse, about what rage unleashed looks like when a system breaks. Every time, the solution represents certain ideals and pulls us back from the brink. Every time, the rich and the corporatists ignore the lessons and begin again to destroy the system to gain more money and power. And eventually here we are again. It is tiresome, filled with the sound of weeping, and terribly frightening. As Alice Walker said once, long ago, "If it is true that you reap what you sow, then our country is in deep, deep trouble."
FDR only instituted the New Deal to save capitalism, because he knew that if he didn't give the working class some assistance, they would string him up, along with all the bankers. He was smart enough to realize this. When it came time to get into WWII, he used every trick in the book to get the U.S. to go to war, even to the point of doing to Japan what NATO did to Russia - provoked them into attacking the U.S. naval base at Pearl Harbor.
Seek psychiatric treatment. You are deeply brainwashed by absurd propaganda.
The radical labor movement's quasi-civil-war with industrialists ended by 1915. Labor unions were then given increasing legal rights, which brought them into the establishment, same as other industrialized countries that coopted labor movements to discourage communism.
Your psychotic delusion that violent ILLIBERAL communism was ever going to prevail in a historically LIBERAL society with an increasingly literate, educated "middle" class is beyond absurd. By WW2 the world had already seen the mass horror caused by insane communists and other psychotic ILLIBERAL kooks on the far left like you, and had little interest in it.
In fact after the labor movement rejected ILLIBERAL COMMUNISM (class war), living conditions for the working classes continued to rise spectacularly for a generation, at which point the intellectual left STARTED THROWING THE WORKING CLASS UNDER THE BUS due to the spread of postmodernism, neo-marxism, feminism and identity politics through the cultural-left and "progressive" politics.
The Japanese EMPIRE had already committed widespread war crimes, enslaving and killing 100,000s of civilians in the year before Pearl Harbor. Stopping their further military expansion by cutting their supplies of oil and other raw materials needed for their IMPERIALIST PROJECTS AND WAR CRIMES was inevitably going to provoke a military response.
Again, you are profoundly mentally ill, and brainwashed by absurd propaganda.
You are a perfect example of the idiocy, psychosis and dysfunction on the "left", and why the "left" is incapable of accomplishing anything other than promoting more psychosis and self-loathing.
So I suppose that Japan annexing Manchuria, invading China, and murdering millions of people prior to the outbreak of Pearl Harbor was perfectly fine with you. Good thing that individuals such as yourself had no decision making ability during the 20th century.
Wrong. Where did you get the idea that I would think that? Are you mad?
These are your words:
"When it came time to get into WWII, he used every trick in the book to get the U.S. to go to war, even to the point of doing to Japan what NATO did to Russia - provoked them into attacking the U.S. naval base at Pearl Harbor."
The US cutoff oil to Japan; however, Japan was waging aggressive and very deliberate war in Manchuria and coastal China. Japan entered Manchuria in 1931. It began its invasion of China in July 1937. Prior to the attack on Pearl Harbor, Germany, Japan, and Italy had created the Tripartate Pact in September of 1940. By this time, Germany had invaded France. In June 1941, Germany invaded Russia.
In July of 1941, the Japanese took over airfields in Indochina from the French. This was obviously for military purposes. The US embargoed oil to Japan in August of 1941.
You are conflating the actions of the US in 1941 with the Ukraine. Do you serious think the situations are the same? Should the US have just passively stood by and allowed Japan to consolidate its position in Asia? Meanwhile during this period, both German and Japanese scientists were aware of nuclear fission. This was public information available from a 1939 publication by Lisa Mietner in Nature.
As Americans, we had best pray that there is no God and that He is not just, for if ever were collective punishment deserved, then we are in for a big one.
I would comment: "We just get in line."
China - Great Leap Forward - 50 million dead.
China - Cultural Revolution - several million dead.
Japan invasion of China and other Asia/Pacific countries - around 10 million dead.
Stalinist Russia with its purges - 10-15 million dead.
Etc...
Absolutely, the 'angst' about what is coming is real ... (for decades I wondered how long it would take until 'kicking the can down the road' does not work anymore!)
Martin Van Creveld explained the failure of the Modern Nation state model in the 1990s.
Robert Kegan explained the failure of the paradigm of modern rationalism in the 1990s.
Ross Perot warned the country about a "giant sucking sound" as jobs left the USA in 1992.
Most of the "left" and the middle class was brainwashed into thinking that Bill Clinton getting in bed with corporations and globalists was "ok".
Here we are 20-25 years later, and people are still mostly clueless about the fact that the "USA" basically ceased to exist a long time ago, except as an empty husk which was used as a veneer to cover the takeover of the system by globalists and neoliberals.
At least you provide some comments of merit.
The Royalists will always be Royalists.
gibberish. seek psychiatric/neurological treatment
Did being a sea cucumber roe harvester affect your personality and brain?
more absurd, psychotic, reactionary bullshit.
A key observation in this post: “No one mentioned the disastrous trade deals that have deindustrialized the country and impoverished the working class.”
Ross Perot, 1992: giant sucking sound. a classic.
That and - Do you want transistors or chicken?
gibberish. seek psychiatric/neurological treatment
As above...
more absurd, psychotic, reactionary bullshit.
Starr liking it. The middle class is picked clean and tossed aside, and politics, like economics, increasingly resembles a no-holds barred zero sum winner takes all game.
You will be seeing more and scarier, as people lash out.
Interesting article - but I am confused by people on the left who criticize vaccine opponents/skeptics. I won't get into the autism discussion - but you can't pretend to be against Wall Street, then bow down to the drug industry. The drug industry - like the war industry - wants profits. The drug industry is part of the Wall Street that the left supposedly hates. I believe the CEO of Moderna became a billionaire last year, and at least some of the R&D - not to mention the vaccine doses themselves - were paid for by the taxpayers. Corporate and state power combined is what?
If you have better systems besides a market economy please recommend them. Chris Hedges is correct that a tremendous imbalance has occurred in American Civilization; however, the issue of market economies (aka Capitalism) is well described by Churchill's description of democracy: "Worse possible system of governance until you consider the alternatives."
The system I described is not a market system. It's a socialistic, rigged system. CEO's of major corporations, such as Moderna, succeed because they ask for/take government handouts. They never wanted, nor ever will want, a free market.
Well that is not entirely true - it is a market system - there are multiple choices and much of the information is available (as biased in some respects as it may be). However, does corporate socialism exist in the US? You bet it does. Ideally, in a truly free market there is complete transparency of important information. Naturally no such condition exists.
In a truly free market large corporations, like Moderna, don't get any government handouts. I don't care whether there is transparency regarding the rigging or redistribution of wealth to Moderna. The vaccines should have been sold on the free market directly to the people. I don't want to pay for them.
You would do better in the 18th century.
Not sure what that means - but nope. There is enough barbarism now that I have to deal with and the 18th century would be worse. Being forced to bow down to and subsidize an authoritarian, parasitic monarch wouldn't be any better than being forced to bow down to and subsidize authoritarian and parasitic drug companies/ big Gov.
Fascism.
Ignorance.
Thanks Chris for this article. It is so hard to find voices of sanity and you are one.
The only way this gets better is if the Anti-swamp right and Vehemently anti-Citizens United left, put aside every other issue and join together. This government will never work for the citizens again without strong regulations on money in politics and term limits.
The real fight (as opposed to the political spectacle) is between the Sunbelt industries (oil, defense, real estate, etc.) vs an unholy alliance of the PMC/Brahmins, eastern finance and the media-tech oligarchs.
Another reasonable set of points.
why do you keep posting stupid shit?
Some of what you post is worthwhile. You can, however, be overbearing, histrionic, hyperbolic, disrespectful, rude, obnoxious, and an ass.
Who is a misanthrope such as yourself to comment that I post "stupid shit"? Much of your musings fall within the realm of narcissistic, rude, banal, insipid, and after a while boring "stupid shit". Grow up.
more absurd, psychotic, reactionary bullshit.
"The televised spectacle of the January 6th hearings will not restore democracy"
Someone please explain to us in detail this meme that democracy is in need of restoration related to Jan-6. On Feb-20 2011, 12,000 liberals marched in angry protest over Wisconsin's right to work legislation and they occupied the state capitol for weeks. As I recall the same people breathless with hand-wringing that Jan-6 was an insurrection were applauding the Wisconsin spectacle as people freely expressing their political opinions through some civil disobedience. Is the perspective here that clear abuses of government power persecuting the protestors of Jan-6 for politics is a threat to democracy? I would agree with that perspective... however, I doubt that is the point made here.
"or halt the rise of the far right."
There is no material threat of any far-right rising. This is liberal political mythology.
"The hearings are a desperate ploy by a doomed political class."
Here we agree completely.
Did those "12,000 liberals [who] marched in angry protest" have automatic weapons? Were they backed by heavily armed militias, composed of many current and former military and police? Did they seek the overthrow of the government and establishment of a white Christian ethno-State? Did they reject the Constitution and formal means of government? Did they propagate lies, hate and racism? Were they funded by billionaire's and right wing news outlets and internet grifters? Can you see the difference now?
This reminds me of a great Doobie Brothers Song penned by the great Michael McDonald... "What a Fool Believes".
None of the Jan-6 protesters were armed. They were not backed by any armed militias and not composed of former military and police. They did not seek to overthrow the government and the rest of your statement is both racist and xenophobic. They did not reject the Constitution.
The Democrats are funded by the Billionaire Boys Club and propagate hate, lies and racism.
But I am sure you cannot see that truth having your crazy little muffin head all twisted like it is.
That is a bald-faced lie and there is evidence to prove it. Talk about twisted!
Nope. Prove it.
Prove it? You prove your case--you're the one making the spectacular claim that "no one was armed." I guarantee you there were armed people there. I'd be shocked if there wasn't. I'm actually supporting the case that those protesters and troublemakers were smart enough to not wave shooting irons in the air or perhaps start shooting. There's a scene captured during the "protest" in which Ashley Bobbit was shot dead, which everyone should see. That immediately stopped people in their tracks. Those toy revolutionaries suddenly discovered what happens when things are no longer a Show , a distraction. It was suddenly real, and time go go home.
You must be a good person to laud the killing of an unarmed 5'2" woman. But hey, she was from that other political tribe, so all good, right?
As seen in a video recording, BLM had guns at the protest where the Rittenhouse incident took place.
Thanks
These people clutching their political mythology is fantastic in light of the real facts. Their mythology is that Trump-supporters are violent and armed when in all the years of being punched down by the Democrat corporate media and beat by violent, armed and riotous Democrat BLM and Antifa thugs, the Republicans attended their Trump rallies and remained peaceful.
There is no evidence of material threats from any nationalist white supremacist groups. And the few that rant these extremes are powerless, bearded working-class dolts that pose no risk to the elites in power. There is no evidence of any material existence of systemic racism. Women have never had it better in the society and the economy. Yet they claim they are still oppressed by the white male middle-class patriarchy that is misogynist, racist, armed and violent.
It is really too bad that the average lefty either lacks so much self-awareness, or is otherwise so prone to intellectual dishonesty, that they cannot see how bad their mythology clutching makes them look to every other thinking person on the planet. They appear to be insane. Or maybe consuming too much legal cannabis.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1227338353101672450.html
My observation too. I live in liberal land in a college town that is 80% liberal and hard left, and so I have a lot of subjects to test out this theory. My next self-awarded PHD project is to develop a theory for how it happens. Why are people with political left-leaning politics over-represented in mental health diagnosis?
Part of it is genetic.
Having observed 100s of radical-extremist leftists in a variety of settings over 50 years, there is an obvious connection between such extremism and psychiatric disorders.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/339541044_Mental_illness_and_the_left
So what. They were packing. The Proud Boys and Oath Keepers often display their ordinance particularly when they drive through Portand, OR. Now how many people were packing on 1/6/2021, well I have no way of knowing. They did vandalize though.
incoherent gibberish. seek psychiatric/neurological treatment
You completely missed the point. Hedges is referring to a long decline in the United States that far precedes what you are talking about as far as recent riots. It's not about just Jan. 6. You are a nobody, and want me to believe you when you say there is no threat of the far right. I'll go with Hedges and his decades of reporting instead of anonymous Frank Fucking Lee. Please stop writing if you can't do better.
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Excuse me, but your argument is nothing but bullsh--.
Reactionary troll. Groupthink.
Proof that you cannot answer the question. Just as I thought. The rest of what you write isn't worth reading, and certainly not worth a response.
You do know that most of the country sees things much differently and those that keep pushing the myth are hurting themselves?
Reactionary troll. Groupthink.
He's a pompous ass who's convinced himself of his brilliance. It's sad to see.
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Reactionary troll. Groupthink.
The challenge its to build from the bottom up an alternative system. We must do this. In fact it's happening already. Revolution is like mycelium, growing from thew soil up. There are decent people out there...
Rebuilding the unions is essential. It's where we can consolidate power against the 1%.
re: manufactured consent
Unions are part of the establishment. They operate within severe constraints and will not support radical attempts to overthrow the system they are part of and derive their limited power from.
We need a Progressive Labor Coalition Movement Party
Progressivism is a failure. What is needed is a populist transpartisan coalition, including labor, opposed to the establishment, neoliberalism and globalism.
Chris nailed it with this article and I want so badly for it not to be true. We are being bombarded by political ads that are just total fabrications of what the other side is doing and they don't even attempt to address any real issues, it is all just make-believe nonsense, theater. I have never before sat out an election in my 66 years but this year I will because there are no candidates on either side that appear to be honest or trustworthy. Our country is being destroyed by the 1%.
Vote third party just replace the machine parts one by one.
I would love to vote third party but rarely does one get the opportunity to do so because third party candidates are oftentimes barred from appearing on the ballots due to rigging by the duopoly of Democrats and Republicans. They simply do not want to allow people to have any other choice than the lesser of two evils. For example in the last presidential election, the Green party was refused access to the ballot by the Democratic party here in Wisconsin.
I'm 65. I won't be voting again. It's pointless. No third party is going to arise and even if one did, it would feel the fury of the same people who demonize Trump.
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If I were going to an insurrection, I would bring a gun. And so would the several hundred innocent people the State is persecuting for engaging in a protest, or in a few cases, a riot. We don't believe in angels or any of the other stupid ideas you accuse us of, and only a real fool would believe those lies about us. Our crime is not loving the security state and having the idiotic simplicity to imagine that the political class should follow the will of the people. Unlike you and apparently many of your readers, we have permanently turned off our televisions and after the real insurrection of 4 Nov 2020 we are able to clearly see the world.
I don't have a dog in this fight, but it just looked like a riot to me. Actually, I also thought, "this is what the left should do if it wants to get its agenda recognized." But the Democrats, the supposed "left," sit on their asses and perform theater like Hedges said. They have nothing to offer working people, and will continue losing.
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What are the actual guns laws/regulations in DC???
You do understand that the US Constitution specifically prohibits insurrections and tasks the government with preventing them????????????
If you no longer believe in the rule of law and the US Constitution, just be honest and admit it.
Are you familiar with the term “non sequitor”?
Are you familiar with the term "bullshit"?
"There was no acknowledgement by committee members that the “will of the people” has been subverted by the three branches of government to serve the dictates of the billionaire class.
No one brought up the armies of lobbyists who are daily permitted to storm the Capitol to fund the legalized bribery of our elections and write the pro-corporate legislation that it passes.
No one spoke about the loss of constitutional rights, including the right to privacy, because of wholesale government surveillance. No one mentioned the disastrous trade deals that have deindustrialized the country and impoverished the working class.
No one spoke of the military fiascos in the Middle East that cost taxpayers over $8 trillion, the for-profit health care system that gouges the public and prevents a rational response to the pandemic, already resulting in over a million deaths, or the privatization of institutions of government, including schools, prisons, water treatment, trash collection, parking meters, utilities and even intelligence gathering, to enrich the billionaire class at our expense.
The gaping hole between the reality of what we have become, and the fiction of who we are supposed to be, is why spectacle is all the ruling class has left. Spectacle takes the place of politics."
But spectacle does nothing to improve our lives or reduce suffering so the corrupt ruling class are only fooling themselves. We in the working class live with reality and payback will be ugly.
There is no history of a real, serious, violent threat to the establishment for over 100 years (the "Secret" war between radical labor activists and industrialists 1890-1915). You are delusional.
The D-party version of the "left" was created as controlled opposition after WW2, and has morphed into "woke" cancel culture, which is a massive magnet for mental illness.
The best that the "New Reactionaries", the so called Alt-Right and similar groups can do is to wait for the system to disintegrate to the point where they can secede from the Union.
This brought to mind the sweep of history. We come from being barbarians and it's a process to learn how to be human. That's how to account for the surviving barbarisms you've written about. But January 6 was egregious enough to burst through the shell that has managed to keep the rest of our misadventures contained, and, unless we annihilate ourselves first, dealing with it will be the next stepping stone to the more beautiful world our hearts know is possible.
Mindless cheerleading = pointless
Also charm school.
You need to go to consciousness school.
Yes, with respect to e.pierce - Bless his/her/they/them/it's heart. This person (or is it an AI bot - some graduate student's PhD project....Hmmmm), is very ecumenical in their/it's disdain.
You need the graduate course.
Back to charm school for you.
Thank you, Chris -- a masterpiece, including the image !!!
Hi Chris,
Some of the narratives you ridicule are not conspiracy theories, but are grounded in reality and fact.
Vaccines certainly don't "cause" autism, but are undoubtedly a strong contributing factor. I would encourage you to examine some of the well researched work RFK Jr has done for years.
I'm surprised you're skeptical of elite sex trafficking being commonplace. Besides the suspicious circumstances of Epstein's death, the amount of evidence uncovered that was never looked into further, or the Depp trial getting an absurd level of coverage compared to Maxwell with developments happening at the same time much of it is displayed in plain sight. One could reasonably argue how prevalent it is, but it's quite clear a large amount of elites are into some sick, disgusting things (some of which is clearly satanic). Sorry I don't have as good sources for you on this one, but even just look at some music videos of today or some of the crazy things actors say. They serve the elite so they emulate them, hoping for approval and validation.
RFK is a loon. You are recommending something written by him as "well-researched"? Don't make me laugh.
"RFK is a loon. You are recommending something written by him as "well-researched"? Don't make me laugh."
Not a good look flaunting your ignorance topped with nasty, blind prejudice drawn from corrupt corp media smears. As an environmental attorney, battling some of the world's most toxic polluters, RFK Jr has distinguished himself with some of the most significant wins protecting human health. This include Hudson River PCB clean up, mercury limits in fish and Monsanto Roundup shown to be carcinogenic.
The parents of a vaccine injured child begged Bobby to take their case over 20 years ago and the evidence those parents gave him and suit that followed was the beginning of Childrens Health Defense but don't believe me.
Here's a link for The Real Anthony Fauci, a full list of the thousands of citations and given it was read 2 times by more than two dozen experts in every area of science and law a link to the publisher's challenge for anyone to find a single error.
Like Julian Assange it is those who promote truth our presstitutes destroy.
“Dr. Joseph Goebbels wrote that ‘A lie told once remains a lie, but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth.’ Tragically for humanity, there are many, many untruths emanating from Fauci and his minions. RFK Jr. exposes the decades of lies.”
—Luc Montagnier, Nobel laureate
https://web.archive.org/web/20220112013505/https://resistir.info/livros/kennedy_the_real_anthony_fauci.pdf
All citations for The Real Anthony Fauci are organized by chapter or chapter section with clickable links for your convenience. To navigate, select the chapter then the citation number you wish to view, and you will be linked to the source of the citation.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/fauci_info/citations/
If powerful people challenged by this book claim it contains misinformation, our response is simply this: Tell us where you believe something is incorrect, make your best arguments and offer the best available support for those arguments.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/tony-lyons-the-real-anthony-fauci-challenge-factual-errors-open-debate/
Yes, logical fallacies are common from the corporate left. They side with Wall Street and corporate power. Their allignment with the drug industry, against workers, illustrates their closet, right wing foundation. These people say nothing about and support the government(including Democrats) helping in the slaughter of Yemen - but call Putin a monster. They say nothing about Antifa/BLM rioting and killing, as well as spreading Covid. It's amusing how they paint anyone who has even a question regarding Covid vaccines as anti-vax/ conspiracy theorists. Theirs is a right wing standpoint and something one would expect from the head of sales at Pfizer. Fauci told people not to wear masks in early 2020; there are actually people who believe what he says. The authoritarian, anti-liberal philosophy of corporate Democrats has come out of the closet with the Covid cult. These were the people who called for and celebrated Covid lockdowns, which likely killed tens of thousands of poor(mainly brown) children worldwide. These are the Obama/Clinton/Biden worshippers, and the people Malcolm X despised.
Oh noooooooooooooooo, logical fallacies! Followed by verbal diarrhea.
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What is wrong with you? Why do you take these thing so personally? Do you think everyone has to use this forum the way you do? If so you are mistaken. Anyone who pays his $5 gets to shit in your salad or make specious arguments or say the moon is hollow or even post poetry by Robert Frost if they feel like it. If you have so little self-control, this isn't the place for you. It looks like it's bad for your health and, if you have any loved ones, which I doubt, they might be sad if you die. Now do as I requested and eat a bag of glass or something. Or have a heart attack or stroke. Or get caught fucking your neighbor's teen-age daughter. You see, I am profane but in control. I don't lean on the question mark key like a spastic ape. I am merely acting for the public good, and am trying to get you, a mind-fuck virus, eliminated from the environment.
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Classic projection. You are a delusional psychotic that is lost in an echo chamber filled with mental sewage.
"Here's a link for The Real Anthony Fauci, a full list of the thousands of citations and given it was read 2 times by more than two dozen experts in every area of science and law a link to the publisher's challenge for anyone to find a single error."
I'll employ this as night reading. I only dived into Chapter 8: "White Mischef: Dr. Fauci's African atrocities".
The first couple paragraphs were stunning. So many points were conflated into a whole narrative of malfeasance. I will read this from RFK Jr. When reading it, I will bear in mind that RFK is an attorney and has never created anything unique in his life. Like all lawyers he fits in Adam Smith's category of unproductive labor. Unproductive labor cannot exist without the surplus wealth created by productive labor. Taken to an extreme it is an extremely parasitic form of predation. Several pages of testimonials from the beginning sets the stage for what may or may not be a worthwhile expose.
I'll reserve judgment for now.
Open minded consideration of facts is all any of us can do in search of truth. I would disagree about the blanket assertion that RFK Jr can produce nothing as a lawyer when his efforts directly link to turning the Hudson River from a foul, polluted, dying ecosystem to a thriving natural resource for humans and other living things. If making lives safer and more enjoyable for millions doesn't count as creating value your accounting method does not jive with mine. :~)
I am intentionally being histrionic and provocative. He has a history as an environmental lawyer and that should be acknowledged. However, the Adam Smith categorization remains. When you think about it, the only way RFK could do both the very good and "we'll see good?" things he has done is because he does not have to go out and hunt game or dig for roots. Hunter gathers have simple societies with limited horizons. Lots of brain power but little culture. The basis for the bit of histrionics is that I think lawyers and finance people have far too much power in our economy. With the Age of Reagan (all the way form the Great Communicator to the Present Day), productive labor has been devalued and subservient to unproductive labor. A well written expose worth reading is Flying Blind: The 737 Tragedy and the Fall of Boeing by Peter Robison. The tragedy of Boeing has precedence in the tragedy of General Motors and the offshoring of millions of manufacturing jobs with the resultant immiseration of millions of Americans.
RFK is tough, I'm sure he can handle a bit of hyperbolic opinion.
Thanks for the explanation it helps understand your point & agree completely about the rise of unproductive labor and destruction of our industries on an accelerating trajectory.
You're most certainly correct about Bobby being tough enough. His strength of character can't negate my fierce defensive posture gained from decades of tangling with Monsanto shills and trolls. No that's most certainly not a backhand at you I'm always clear with my jabs.
This is a conditioned response where first hint of my favorite truth tellers being targeted gets my claws out reflexively. I'm working on the patience to have a calm exchange and assess the merits first... fingers always crossed! :~)
I am just learning to write at 74. Autisme Quebec says Autism is what you are not who you are.
I love logic . Eugenia Cheng is my favourite English as in England (OK Orwell is up there with Chomsky, Samuel Clemens, Frederick Douglas and John Ralston Saul) philosophers certainly of the last two centuries. My favourite modern philosopher at least from the Gaon of Vilna philosophers remain Socratic and if you can't speak truth to yourself you can't like seeking wisdom.
If I say I didn't trust Fauci the minute he opened his mouth and I think Kennedy is a crackpot just like Joseph lobotomy Kennedy Sr was back 90 years ago.
Can I disbelieve both at the same time?
I am tired of picking sides I would never pick if I had other options.
Canada's Covid czar Teresa Tam always spoke the truth. She knows the difference between opinion and science . Science is never certain of anything.
You openly and gleefully supported your globalist-neoliberal, neo-communist DICTATOR TRUE-DOPE's war mongering.
Your mindless babble and sputtering is as insane and brain-damaged as are your lies.
Chomsky Bot at Rubber Ducky.
I've gotten a little further into Chapter 8.
Several statements are worth mentioning:
"Charles Ortleb, the editor of New York Native and author of a biography of the NIAID director, recalls that the theme of unwanted minorities spreading contagion was a standardized soliloquy of totalitarianism, most notoriously Hitler’s stoking of public fears of tuberculosis to incite bigotry toward Jews: “There was always this undertone of bigotry with AIDS. I don’t think we can dismiss as coincidence that the population that they targeted for their toxic concoctions were gays, Blacks, Hispanics, and Africans.”
Maybe that was because those were the most impacted populations. Maybe RFK just has a "natural & homeopathic" approach to treating AIDS. Let the disease run its course and the vast majority of those infected will die and in the meantime then will infect others. Heavens to Betsy that the BIG BAD Pharma Companies' should look at "poisons".
I'll stop there but look forward to reading further and see how RFK squares the circle with the fact that HIV was a transmissible and in almost all cases a fatal illness in the early 1980s whereas now the disease is exceptionally manageable and people so burdened can lead normal lives and expect many productive years ahead of them.
Coming from a huge Irish clan of Factor VIII hemophiliacs with half our males dead from AIDS tainted blood during the 1980s my issue is with Red Cross, Cutter and the Clintons' Arkansas Prison Project that sold infected blood long after the problem was known. The "search for cures" an ugly series of human medical experiments and policies that excluded effective early treatments just like HCQ and Ivermectin with Covid.
Variety ~ This review was updated on Nov. 16, 2005.
A sturdy, concise, no-nonsense documentary that should hit screens as soon as possible, “Factor 8: The Arkansas Prison Blood Scandal” has limited theatrical options, but would probably win Peabodys if shown on “Frontline,” HBO or any of the several other outlets with social agendas and nerve enough to air the appalling story related in this unconventional movie.
During Bill Clinton’s gubernatorial tenure in Arkansas, the state prison system — which was self-supporting, largely through inmate farm labor — collected and sold inmate blood, often taken from the riskiest element of the prison population.
Focusing on the state’s notorious Cummins work farm, documaker Kelly Duda establishes through interviews with current and former inmates, prison phlebotomists and others, that inmates commonly known to engage in IV drug abuse and homosexual activity were allowed to bleed for $2 a pop and — although officials deny it — their blood was then processed and sold. Illegal to sell in the United States, the blood was distributed in Canada and used, among other things, to process Factor 8, a clotting mediation sold to hemophiliacs. They, in turn, came down with HIV infections and hepatitis C.
https://web.archive.org/web/20141021073620/https://variety.com/2005/film/reviews/factor-8-the-arkansas-prison-blood-scandal-1200520280/
Thank you for this information. I am, naturally, very sorry for the misery your family must have endured. I do not think that the development of good drugs for AIDS is as sordid as you may think it is. I've started reading RFK's book and will continue to do so. With only five pages down (of a very large document) I can tell that I am concerned with his intentions. A case in point: He references the nevirapine disaster and the horrific toxicity of the early drugs (early drugs were toxic). He pulls at the heart strings of people by making various claims. What he does not do is acknowledge that AIDS in Africa was an epidemic. Even today, in various parts of Africa the prevalence of HIV within the population is 22.2% in Botswana, 17.3% in South Africa, etc. Effectively this viral infection is endemic in many parts of Africa. RFK has so far written nothing about this. What he does not do is describe the human need and the difficulty of studying any drug in low research countries. RFK is in the perfect position of a critic; he has created nothing, has no responsibility, and can attempt to control the story. Given the complexity of the story he also knows that is not easy for individuals to gainsay him.
I guess, I can only opine that since RFK trusts no one in the pharmaceutical industry, government or the medical community why should anyone trust him? Is he that nihilistic and cynical that he believes vast segments of academia, government, physicians and individuals who work for pharmaceutical companies are all inherently part of conspiracy?
Something I will note is that he has chosen areas of campaigning which involve very high profile and controversial areas; the environment; vaccines; HIV; COVID; etc. If he really were interested in helping Americans one would think he might turn some of this immense energy to battling the unequal income distribution in this country or returning manufacturing to the US. How about taking on the malfeasance of Wall Street? Could such campaigning conflict with his own self-interests and the interests of his very wealthy family? I cannot honestly know his intentions; however, from the little reading I've done thus far, I certainly can say that he portrays himself as knowing the intentions of others with certainty.
I will try to watch the documentary you have brought up. I can tell you from personal experience that similar issues existed in Japan during the 1980s, 1990s and into the 2000s. This is a link to a Japan Times article which may be of interest to you if you can gain entry. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2001/03/29/national/hiv-hit-hemophiliacs-fight-on/
HIV, hemophilia, and contaminated blood products was a very large scandal in Japan back in the 1990s. It was in all the papers and on all the news programs. There were demonstrations and parts of it were indeed sordid.
"In 1983, a group of hemophiliacs had filed a petition with the Health and Welfare Ministry to replace the unheated blood products from the U.S. with safer alternatives. While the ministry gave the go-ahead for heated blood products in 1985, it failed to order a recall of unheated products."
I hope that things have improved for your family and cannot imagine the sorrow you must all have endured.
I've never seen him damn the source or resort to ad hominem attacks. So there's that.
Speaking as a 74 year old under the care of Quebec Department of Health and its Autisme Department. Don't knock it till you've tried it.
I am a very slow learner but I read when I was three and I had a PhD vocabulary when I was twelve. I just couldn't do kindergarten. I still use a kindergarten keyboard and one finger and I did many things better equipped people can't do. I like what I see when look in the mirror and laugh. I've learned to love what they see.
I am not a lazy genius it took all of my energy to travel the universe.
The finger I use to type I offer to you free of charge. It is the middle finger of my right hand.
Joseph Kennedy Senior the First lobotomized his daughter; how obscene was that? She was an embarrassment and he wanted an Ambassadorship.
Another Alumni of Kamala's High School once wrote there Ain't No Cure for Love. It is worth a listen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM7vULqs31Q
incoherent blubbering, sputtering and blabbering.
chomsky bot at rubber ducky
No surprise you don't have "good sources" to back up your claims. And you utterly misunderstand what's behind music videos in which "crazy things" are said. It's all part of celebrity culture, in which Pelosi, Trump, Biden, Obama, et. al., are celebrities as surely as Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp, Amber Heard, etc.
Yeah, it seems the old Republicans have lost the party and so they slink up with the Democrats to try and tag team the new populist threat from the right.
Yes, that's it. The GOP can't be the party of big business with Trump being so influential. So the Demopublicans, in league with the mainstream media and donor class, are currently the big business party. They all lie constantly and smear Trump and his voters at every opportunity. It's what they tried in 2016. The Democrats have a severe learning disability caused by continually having a lobbyist up their assholes. Because this actually strengthens Trump's position.
What the establishment wants is someone who will kick the can forward for Wall Street, keep everything running smoothly so that money keeps flowing where it should, and Trump isn't trusted to do that. This is the core of the issue. Everything else regarding Trump is secondary.
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What is wrong with you? Why do you take these thing so personally? Do you think everyone has to use this forum the way you do? If so you are mistaken. Anyone who pays his $5 gets to shit in your salad or make specious arguments or say the moon is hollow or even post poetry by Robert Frost if they feel like it. If you have so little self-control, this isn't the place for you. It looks like it's bad for your health and, if you have any loved ones, which I doubt, they might be sad if you die. Now do as I requested and eat a bag of glass or something. Or have a heart attack or stroke. Or get caught fucking your neighbor's teen-age daughter. You see, I am profane but in control. I don't lean on the question mark key like a spastic ape. I am merely acting for the public good, and am trying to get you, a mind-fuck virus, eliminated from the environment.
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Not exactly. One of the new right wing movements, National Conservatism (Trumpism without Trump) is trying to form some kind of alliance between radical populism and the traditional elements of the establishment (and their allies the media-tech oligarchs)
Psychotic asshole troll.
If you look at e.pierce's responses I'm coming to think he/she/they/it is actually an AI program which is part of a PhD thesis from some computer scientist at MIT. Certainly there are canned responses and the theme of invective is very often the same.
Yeah that's a good theory. I wouldn't doubt it.
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It is gross stupidity. What you do or do not "doubt" is irrelevant bullshit.
incoherent gibberish. seek psychiatric treatment.
your gross idiocy is very often the same.
your irrelevance is very often the same.
your pathological need for ego gratification is very often the same.
your psychotic delusions are very often the same.
your groupthink and scapegoating is very often the same.
I rest my case.
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What you "rested" was your brain when you dropped it into an echo chamber filled with toxic mental sewage.
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What is wrong with you? Why do you take these thing so personally? Do you think everyone has to use this forum the way you do? If so you are mistaken. Anyone who pays his $5 gets to shit in your salad or make specious arguments or say the moon is hollow or even post poetry by Robert Frost if they feel like it. If you have so little self-control, this isn't the place for you. It looks like it's bad for your health and, if you have any loved ones, which I doubt, they might be sad if you die. Now do as I requested and eat a bag of glass or something. Or have a heart attack or stroke. Or get caught fucking your neighbor's teen-age daughter. You see, I am profane but in control. I don't lean on the question mark key like a spastic ape. I am merely acting for the public good, and am trying to get you, a mind-fuck virus, eliminated from the environment.
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incoherent gibberish. seek psychiatric treatment.
Reasonable. It's all about the money. Typical Royalists.
incoherent gibberish. seek psychiatric treatment.