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Jodi Yaccino's avatar

I don’t know how to bear this.

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John Ressler's avatar

No one with a soul knows how - thank you for sharing this.

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Jodi Yaccino's avatar

❤️‍🩹

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John Ressler's avatar

As difficult as it is for you and me - all of us, do your best to not allow your heart to harden or close

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

As I first looked at Mr. Fish's posed Netanyahu and read "Lord of the Flies, my brain morphed into "Lord of Mendacity". And then, I read your opening paragraphs, and the anger and sorrow all flared together. Same bloody raw emotions that's kept my mind and heart caged, my throat choked for what 18 months now? At all ovine US politician mediocrities willingly shackled to Zionist billionaire money, don't care which party. At all Zionists Jews, Christians and otherwise. At any idiot American whose Constitutional IQ is a negative integer, particularly with respect to its Bill of Rights.

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Kathleen McCroskey's avatar

Don't denigrate sheep! One sheep has more intelligence than 100 MAGAs.

And yes, I am now calling this a post civilization world. All lies of the Axis of Evil have now been exposed.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

I'm just fond of the word ovine. Good for an operatic soprano, especially in the Italian pronunciation o-vi-neh. Oh, the drama!

No, you're right, this is a post-civ world. Otherwise, you'd have to describe it as evolving toward chaos, maybe the same thing?

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Joan Gaetz's avatar

Despite the protests of decent people around the world, a beautiful culture has been dismantled. brick by brick, bone by bone, all the beautiful children destroyed. Leaders of the world failed basic human decency. Words are meaningless in the face of so much cruelty.

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Joy in HK's avatar

Words may be all we have. Being silent will only aid the oppressors. Let us find a way to use them, as more and more people are awakening to the reality of the horror show that our governments have created.

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Dennis Otterstetter's avatar

It seems to me people forget that "our leaders" now know how they can treat all of us. No one will come to our side when we are labeled terrorists as well .

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Moe's avatar

this is absolutely a dry run for what's to come.

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Ingamarie's avatar

Exactly....and the whole world is getting that message from America's dying empire. WE'ER THE POWER. WE CAN DO ANYTHING WE WANT. ANYTHING.

We want her down.......we want her broken. The planet can't survive her rhetoric, her ideology or her cruelty any longer.

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John Ressler's avatar

It's up to us to show the world & ourselves who we actually are. So far we are moral cowards - shameful. Pitiful silence. Couch potatoes.

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Ingamarie's avatar

Caught between our friends and our enemies yes? And which is the worst of it?? Hard to say.

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TomR's avatar

It's difficult to say this, but once the Palestinian genocide is complete, it will soon be forgotten by most in the West - the supporters of Israel will ensure it.

Millions of people - mostly innocent civilians - were victims of mass murder in the last century and now this century; who speaks for the millions of the dead in Armenia, 1930s Ukraine, Vietnam, Biafra, Iraq, and now Gaza? In all those, the powers that be ensured the forgetting by the majority.

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Selina Sweet's avatar

Well, then. Isn't it then, up to us, to remember and bring it up more often than the times we are reminded about the poor Jewish victims of the German holocaust. For every reminder of the latter, we must remember the Palestinians of Gaza starved, bombed, droned, deprived of clean water, maliciously and sadistically treated by the ancestors of the poor Jewish victims.All done for a land grab. And ponder the difference between "an eye for an eye" verses "love thy enemy as thyself."

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W.F.Miloglav's avatar

Perhaps one small thing that can be done is to start referring it routinely as "the Palestinian Holocaust" so as not to allow the Zionists to virtually monopolize "Holocaust" as they have mostly done for decades in their hasbara. What the Israelis have been doing to the Palestinians for 77 years is no different than what the Nazis did to their victims in the 1940s. It's a Holocaust, nothing less.

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Ingamarie's avatar

Slower though.........so the rest of the world has no excuse............none of us can say 'we didn't know'.

The mutually assured terror will likely be good news for the arms industry.

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Lily Witham's avatar

Israel has indeed outdone the Nazi's. Instead of dying in gas chambers the Palestinians are bombed to bits, burned alive, starved, etc.

Personally, I would rather die in a gas chamber. At least it's quicker.

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catfish rushdie's avatar

It's a language war- a war to control whose narrative circulates, and whose narrative is rendered inaccessable, drowned out or silenced. Who can use particular words, and who is not allowed to use them.

The world of matter and the world of ideas are two different worlds, and we inhabit both of them. Ideas have their own life, and are not subject to the same laws that govern the world of matter.

Those who seek to imprison ideas always fail, because they seek to project contol into the universe of ideas, the control of which is beyond their grasp.

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TomR's avatar

Sure, it is. As individuals we do what we can. But at a societal level is where the forgetting occurs - in the ongoing distractions people are forced to live with; in the approved narratives and histories that are repeated through the generations.

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Kathleen McCroskey's avatar

It is the desire of the Empire that most history lies unread, while the unread lie about history. In this genocide, entire family lines that go back to the origins of human life, have been permanently ended, an extinction. Can we truly say, this time, "Never again"?

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David Avenell's avatar

Watch if you haven't, share if you have:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtoWptrhPOM&t=3s

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Selina Sweet's avatar

Thank you David Avenell....important question ...necessary question that it poses...

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Kathy Conway-Thompson's avatar

It appears only holocaust survivors will be remembered

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Roland's avatar

There’s something particularly awful in the expression of the Israeli general that the Palestinians will have to “pay the full price”. It’s as though they bought something and didn’t qualify for a discount. Or as if they are being fined. No. They are paying with their lives in a terrible pogrom based on their existential revolt against some 77 years of being refugees from their homeland and the exercise of their human freedoms and their culture. Paying with your life is not a mere commercial bargain, it is a matter of being denied acknowledgement of a humanity in common. I have to wonder if the Israelis learned nothing from the Nazis but how to do that too. What nation-states can help the Palestinians now?

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Ingamarie's avatar

Perhaps we in the west had to see this horror show play out to fully understand what colonialism is and always has been. I wonder to what extent we look away from the dispossession of Palestine, as easily as we do, because we too are the children of violent settlers??

Our ancestors, not so very far back, came to the New World, declared it terra nulles...and then proceeded, quite violently, to make it so.

Aren't Zionists essentially repeating that pattern in present time.......on a smaller land base, and with more less full media coverage??

Hard not to see it now. Absolutely that they punish us if we say we see it now.

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Selina Sweet's avatar

Indelible the quality of human who murders en masse an entire culture. Indelible the quality of political leadership that not simply assents to this mass slaughter, but assists. It is critical that the larger humanity - powerless to thwart this psychopathic project - remember the reality of Israel, its leaders and its Israeli citizenry that cheer its leaders' criminality along, and clearly remember the quality of its own nation's political leadership (like the USA)that more than sustains such barbarity, such brutality. Remember clearly so as to insure these people that have shown their true colors do not ever again have a place at the table of greater humanity.

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Joy in HK's avatar

We cannot allow Israel to escape the legal consequences of their war crimes. The Hind Rajab Foundation has, among other things, filed a case with the ICC against 1,000 Israeli soldiers for war crimes in Gaza.

https://www.hindrajabfoundation.org/perpetrators/hind-rajab-foundation-files-historic-icc-complaint-against-1000-israeli-soldiers-for-war-crimes-in-gaza

They have taken further steps in recent days, and vacations are becoming a lot more difficult for IDF soldiers, worldwide. The Hind Rajab Foundation can use our help. Please join me in making a contribution.

https://buy.stripe.com/cN228hbY5g7jaM84gg

You might find meaningful to watch the recent interviews that Glenn Greenwald did on his Rumble platform, and Ali Abunimah of the Electronic Intifada, did with the head of this organisation, Dyad Abou Jahjah. It was very informative.

Here's a petition calling for accountability for the arrest of Ali Abunimah in Switzerland:

https://chng.it/8D4pkxPhWS

Please sign the petition and share widely.

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

I sent the Columbia letter once before, but I did it again, just now. Here's the opening paragraph I added:

This may be my second letter. If so, please interpret it as illustrating the level of my dismay the way my alma mater (BA and three graduate degrees) has dealt with Mr. Khalil. With the university's undoubtedly significant prominent law school faculty, I find it difficult to believe that no one informed the administration of Mr. Khalil's Constitutional rights, so that some defense could be mounted against the abysmal treatment he has received from our federal government. To say I am disappointed strongly understates my reaction.

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Kathleen McCroskey's avatar

Thank you for taking a stand! I hope they don't retract your degrees!

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Vin LoPresti's avatar

Too late. Don't need them anymore. My experience and ex-students/friends are what speak for me now, thank goodness.

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Lily Witham's avatar

Thanks for the link. I donated to the Hind Rajab Foundation, wish I could give more. I remember those horrible days/weeks? when she was missing.

I think about the Palestinians most of the time. Remember during the 1st ceasefire the young girl (Nadine?) who had kidney disease went with her family back to North Gaza to there old house and while she and her Mom were walking on the beach, she told her Mom "we had a wonderful life, didn't we"?

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Roshan Pedder's avatar

In the UK, the International Centre of Justice for Palestine is yet another organisation about to launch some major law suits. Check out https://www.icjpalestine.com/

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Joy in HK's avatar

DAWN has urged the ICC prosecutor to investigate and prosecute former President Biden, State Secretary Blinken and Defense Secretary Austin for their personal roles in aiding and abetting Israeli war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide in Gaza as part of his ongoing investigation into the situations in Palestine since 2014.

https://dawnmena.org/latest/

Let’s give them our support. Maybe they will expand their complaint to include this latest US administration. Let's make that all the leaders of the western nations supporting this genocide.

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philistinie's avatar

It is absolutely no surprise. Israel intentions where obvious from the beginning. Only someone who is not aware of how Israel works would have really thought (hoped) that the ceasefire was going to hold. It should come as no surprise that Trump was part of the sham ploy. You can almost see it in the smurfs and internal joy of Netanyahu and others. Ben Gavier also played a small part in the final production of the ploy. The plan we see unfold was signed off by everyone including all the Arab States. They think they can get away with it and they may!

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Monsoon's avatar

Those who voted for Trump were duped. "Anti-war' president? Hardly. Israel is Frankenstein and the US is the doctor.

Wait until he destroys the domestic economy.

This is Bannon's playbook: destroy all the institutions.

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philistinie's avatar

This is bigger than Trump and bigger than who is the President of the United States. It is wishful thinking to contemplate that a choice of who is President makes a difference. Biden and would be Kamala, proved it.

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Fran's avatar

The US backs the despicable genocide in Israel which the Israeli population is aware of, says nothing, supports it , and does so because it is obviously sick. We began America by implementing one of our own, killing off the Indian population in one way, or another. We never acknowledged we did, but we did. We've killed millions of people through our history, directly and indirectly as we overturned governments, or supported governments that did. Now it's not even difficult for the US to lend a helping hand and kill a people in broad day light, and ignore the full coverage provided by outlets like Aljazeera. Netanyahu can make a public speech on TV the day he ended the cease fire on the genocide in Gaza, and some 400 hundred, or more Palestinians dead. Now we are sick enough to proclaim and even glorify the horrors we implement, and can provide a cover with a few simple mistruths. We're getting sicker and ignoring all the symptoms , so someday soon we might just blow up the world, and I believe we will.

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Fran's avatar

Let's get rid of the lobby, AIPAC, since they provide the money that buys them policies, especially in regard to Israel, and they have their willing whores in the White House, and probably many are too weak to stand up to them. It's been this way, for a very long time. AIPAC has got to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Monsoon's avatar

You are seeing the rise of international fascism, an organized effort in the making since WWII.

The Farm Podcast Mach II

https://www.owltail.com/people/0FwI1-danny-weil/appearances

International Fascism VII: The Return of Fascism to Hungary and the Intermarian w/ Danny Weil & Recluse

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Lily Witham's avatar

Israel has never kept any agreement, starting from Day One. I just finished "Loot: How Israel stole Palestinian property" by Adam Raz. Highly recommend it.

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Brian Tanguay's avatar

We would do well to remember this piece. When Israel completes its project, it will then convince the world that nothing happened, the Palestinians simply never existed, no civilians were murdered, starved, no graveyards were obliterated. Total whitewash. Idiots in the American Congress and media will echo the lies. The US helped Israel become a rogue and untouchable country. We own that, forever.

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Lily Witham's avatar

Zionism is the Personification of EVIL.

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Monsoon's avatar

“Anyone who wants to rule men first tries to humiliate them, to trick them out of their rights and their capacity for resistance, until they are as powerless before him as animals,” wrote Elias Canetti in Crowds and Power of the autocrat:

“He uses them like animals and, even if he does not tell them so, in himself he always knows quite clearly that they mean just as little to him; when he speaks to his intimates, he will call them sheep or cattle.

His ultimate aim is to incorporate them into himself and to suck the substance out of them.

What remains of them afterwards does not matter to him. The worse he has treated them, the more he despises them.

When they are no more use at all, he disposes of them as he does excrement, simply seeing to it that they do not poison the air of his house.”

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Ingamarie's avatar

A pretty awful assessment.....but I can barely watch Musk on TV,..........the man exudes so much literal snake oil, and so much unjustified self love, that's its repulsive. Can narcissists actually love another??

I suspect not.

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Monsoon's avatar

Yes, the situation is dire. Far worse than we know and the plutocrats are inept, as in Latin America. Chaos will reign as people begin to see inflation and no job growth, i.e. stagflation.

Musk is an arch villain for a system that vomitted him up. He is dangerous in that he is not only wealthy he owns part of the means of production, from Space X to Twitter.

Libertarians, or better said fascists (one must not forget that Van Mises had no problem at all with fascism), disdain empathy. This was Ayn Rand's entire thesis that only bourgeois individualism can save humanity and empathy is a fool's errand.

"I got mine", "You get yours", "Get a job", etc. Everything is individualized to camoflage the class struggle --- to assure we do not see our experiences as socio-economic ones that affect others, not just ourselves.

The individualism is accompanied by American exceptionalism so from selfies to global power the thinking, the culture becomes permeated with it the brain becomes trained in it and only critical thinking can see it.

Add to this, capitalism in the US is especially rotten for it is a kakacrocy, as well as now a fascist state..

"Kakocracy" refers to a government or rule by the worst, least qualified, or most unscrupulous citizens, derived from the Greek words "kakistos" (worst) and "kratos" (rule).

So, the Empires will come and go as the turbulence quickens and the race to the bottom is thoroughly implemented.

Social mobility will of course continue to go down but even in light of this and sinking mortality rates, many people will embrace their oppressors out of ignorance, fear, get-along-go-along and their own level of consciousness.

This is the problem I think looms large -- will people continue to embrace their oppressors?

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Ingamarie's avatar

This is a grim picture of where in fact we well may be.

Still.....I think we need to discuss, think and strategize how best to respond.

I find up in Canada, many are suddenly incensed by Trump and his open declaration that he wants Canada and what it has. For me, the sudden spewing of hatred for the man misses the point that America has been going down a fascistic path since at least Ronnie Regan. Unregulated privatized capitalism is fascism...........but in the west, so many know so little about it......and most have been brainwashed into thinking its 'communism' that's the evil, that even now, with soviet communism dead for at least 30 years.......most would rather fear Putin.........than face the fact our country may have been best friends with the planet's chief Bully.......since at least Viet Nam.

We all want to be the good guys AND successful capitalists or at least upper middle class bourgeois.

It's funny and sad to see how easily we've been gulled. But what I wanted to suggest is that there are deeper truths. Here's a few of them:

1. America is failing, China is pulling ahead, economically

2. Standard of living is rising in China; falling in America....turns out ideology is a thin gruel when it doesn't deliver economic security.

3. Globalism hasn't enriched the world......its impoverished it

4. Industrial agriculture is failing also........fertilizers/pesticides/herbicides turn out to have adverse side effects.

5. Water shortages are growing....water management needs to change

6. Alternative sources of energy and productivity exist...and could be ramped up more quickly than we imagine........as the pioneers have been working hard, under the msm radar for decades now.

7. Many of the bigotries and fears exist mostly in old white folks......we'll all be dead in a decade or three.

8. Climate change is real and moving fast....every season new total losses are visited upon Americans...and Canadians....its not a far off problem any more....its coming soon to a community near you...and me.

So where do we put our energies........who do we support???

I'm starting to think it shouldn't be the old line parties, or their simpleminded solutions of more of the same.

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Monsoon's avatar

I couldn't agree more.

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Ingamarie's avatar

Onward then. For the grandchildren. Our election was called today..we've been working for the third party for a few weeks already. Lot's to do in the next month.

Stay safe.

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Monsoon's avatar

Good for you. Organizing is the only hope we may have.

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Bill Apgood's avatar

"Kakocracy" refers to a government or rule by the worst, least qualified, or most unscrupulous citizens, derived from the Greek words "kakistos" (worst) and "kratos" (rule).

It's an odd situation when the parasites are the ruling life form. A parallel comes to mind.

https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/getting-bottom-zombie-ant-phenomenon

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Monsoon's avatar

A good analogy indeed.

"Hughes, an assistant professor of entomology and biology at Penn State, is a rainforest ecologist with a special interest in parasites. In particular, he is fascinated by that subset of parasites that accomplishes its ends by mind control: invading the brain of a hapless host and causing that creature to do its bidding. Zombie behavior, biologists call the phenomenon. And the woods, as they say, are full of it."

Interesting. MK-ULTRA for the techno fascist age.

The US uses this warfare using escopolamina to achieve the same ends.

Alas, the parasites are running the show.

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Bill Apgood's avatar

Yes, MK-ULTRA, the actual precedent: I hadn't thought of that, but you're right, the CIA had actually researched it hoped to achieve the capability of doing this.

I've not yet read the Stepehen Kinzer book on Gottlieb, who failed in his attempt. But a personality who would fit right in with current administration.

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Monsoon's avatar

Kinzer's book is little more than a rehash of history. There is little new in it but for first time swimmers in this rotten pool, he does a decent job.

Sites online have far greater information.

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Reynold Reimer's avatar

In future we will not want to talk about this holocaust 2.0 because we will be ashamed. We must not let it be forgotten. It shames all of us who live in the what used to be called the free world. Our helplessness exposes the failure of our 'democracy' and the international institutions we used to believe in. We owe it to the future to keep the memory alive.

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KELTIK_WARRIOR (VINCE T 🦁 )'s avatar

It is extremely difficult and challenging to reconcile in my mind how the people who suffered the horrors of the Holocaust have created a Holocaust for the Palestinians. Bibi the Slaughterer has cast a pall of darkness and evil over the Jewish people. Such depravity is deeply sorrowing.

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Lily Witham's avatar

Most of the Holocaust survivor's have passed away by now. There's a few in NYC and Israel that are against the genocide, and I salute them.

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KELTIK_WARRIOR (VINCE T 🦁 )'s avatar

We can ill afford to treat the Holocaust as simply a "thing of the past". In Nazi Germany those who spoke out on behalf of the Jews were punished. Now, in the U.S., those who speak out on behalf of Palestine are punished and silenced. That is a dangerous disconnect.

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